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Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

KevinB said:
There are a lot of other reports on them and other vehicles in that sort of family.



It’s a Ford 550.
With an armored kit added.

One would be much better off with a purpose built system.

Additionally, Europe isn’t the place to make or sell Ford 550’s.


The LAV has a lot of variants that GDLS has done here in the Stryker 2.0 family.
Variants that are much better suited for that role than some of the European players.

I’m not a fan of the LAV as an ISC/IFV/front line combat vehicle - but it does have a bunch of benefits for things like
CUAS
MSHORAD
DESHORAD
EW
Mortar
CB Radar etc
2nd line Medical Transport
Those roles it’s 1,000,000 better then the Senator
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pardon me, but it is a purpose built system. Just because the frame comes from Ford doesn't lessen the utility of the system nor does it instantly place the homebuilt label on it. It is as the article said the most common vehicle in Ukraine. The why for that is probably a simple matter of economics. If I have a constrained budget and need as many vehicles as possible to provide a reasonable amount of protection it is a logical choice. And who is the better judge? Ukraine has tried every western vehicle on the used car lot. They love the Swedish product and the Roshel the Lav not so much. They don't refuse them but I don't think they have ordered any either.
 
YZT580 said:
pardon me, but it is a purpose built system. Just because the frame comes from Ford doesn't lessen the utility of the system nor does it instantly place the homebuilt label on it. It is as the article said the most common vehicle in Ukraine. The why for that is probably a simple matter of economics. If I have a constrained budget and need as many vehicles as possible to provide a reasonable amount of protection it is a logical choice. And who is the better judge? Ukraine has tried every western vehicle on the used car lot. They love the Swedish product and the Roshel the Lav not so much. They don't refuse them but I don't think they have ordered any either.
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We could/could we use a thousand or two to fulfill the light part of the LSVW vs the 500 Zetros?
 
Kirkhill said:
So we would have a fleet of Ford F550s or Dodge 5500s for utility purposes with some portion of them uprated and armoured?

Separate from the specialty fleets?
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what would be better? Would you prefer a fleet of armoured Roshels modified with turret for your recruits or chasing them around the parade square yelling vroom, vroom bang you are dead? Because that is about all the reserves have to train on these days.
 
YZT580 said:
what would be better? Would you prefer a fleet of armoured Roshels modified with turret for your recruits or chasing them around the parade square yelling vroom, vroom bang you are dead? Because that is about all the reserves have to train on these days.
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No, no. It would be fine by me.

What can you do with a fleet of pickups?


  • Chevy 30cwt 1533x2 - The vehicle most readily associated by most people with LRDG, the 30cwt Chevy was the mainstay patrol vehicle for almost two years (starting service in March 1942). The sturdy Canadian design proved to be extremely reliable; there are several reports of these trucks falling headlong into sand pits several feet deep without taking any substantial damage. Captain Wilder of T Patrol during the Barce Raid even reportedly managed to ram an Italian tank at full speed, push it from the road to clear a path for his patrol, and still drive his badly damaged truck to safety.
    LRDG's 30cwts were equipped with extra-large sand tires, cabs were removed and the body heightened with wooden planks to increase load. Windscreens were usually replaced with small aero screens. Wireless trucks had a special cabinet in the back to carry the radio set.
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  • Chevy 15cwt 1311x3 - This smaller variant of the Chevrolet truck proved to be every bit as sturdy and desert-worthy as its larger brother, the 1533. 1311s were used as pilot cars from late 1941 until the arrival of Jeeps almost two years later; during that time, they partook in some of the longest missions LRDG undertook. After their replacement with the faster and lighter Jeeps, they were relegated to HQ to be used for a variety of purposes (HQ had already used a number of 1311s for their own purposes, most notably as a field ambulance).
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Chevrolet WD 30 CWT 1-1/2 truck (1940)

The Chevrolet WD 30 CWT 1-1/2 truck and the specialized 1533X2 formed the bulk of LRDG units for desert warfare from 1940 to late 1943.
truck-encyclopedia.com truck-encyclopedia.com
 
Kirkhill said:
So we would have a fleet of Ford F550s or Dodge 5500s for utility purposes with some portion of them uprated and armoured?

Separate from the specialty fleets?
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We already have an effective system for blue fleet, there is no need to mess with it in that way.

Keep the SMP/MILCOT fleet separate from the blue fleet.
 
YZT580 said:
what would be better? Would you prefer a fleet of armoured Roshels modified with turret for your recruits or chasing them around the parade square yelling vroom, vroom bang you are dead? Because that is about all the reserves have to train on these days.
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The sickest joke played on the ARes Armoured folks was buying some Polaris Rangers, stark white, no comms, no gunnery and with no doors or heat and telling them its a cavalry training platform. Plus you'll get 6 of them so you cant even pretend you have two 4 car troops. On the plus side, it has a dump box which is good for brass sweeps.
 
Kirkhill said:
So we would have a fleet of Ford F550s or Dodge 5500s for utility purposes with some portion of them uprated and armoured?

Separate from the specialty fleets?
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I think so?

Plan is for 1500 LUV-SMPs right? and 500 LUVs for the reserves that they can pretend are LUV-SMP.
500 LVM light which are not actually light and short of the 1333 LSVS we had and way short of the 2879 we started with
 
PrairieFella said:
The sickest joke played on the ARes Armoured folks was buying some Polaris Rangers, stark white, no comms, no gunnery and with no doors or heat and telling them its a cavalry training platform. Plus you'll get 6 of them so you cant even pretend you have two 4 car troops. On the plus side, it has a dump box which is good for brass sweeps.
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What is a Polaris Ranger????
 
McG said:
They are Light capacity as intended. The problem is that are also Large. Much like the MSVS is Medium capacity but Massive, and the LVM-H will be Heavy capacity and Huge. Somebody has been stuffing extra unhelpful meanings into the L/M/H spectrum.
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yeah but how would you make them smaller? Thats just the size of trucks and the MOT requirements is it not?
 
www.flightglobal.com

CAE looks to rebuild ‘aerodrome of democracy’ in Canada

As Ottawa looks to re-arm and re-assert its sovereignty, Canadian defence giant CAE says one of the most effective contributions the country can make is to re-occupy its historic role as a training hub for allied aviators.
www.flightglobal.com www.flightglobal.com

Commonwealth air training plan 2.0? There's a ton of former RCAF stations owned privately just collecting dust im sure we could buy back to expand training.
 
suffolkowner said:
yeah but how would you make them smaller? Thats just the size of trucks and the MOT requirements is it not?
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If you don’t require your light truck to have commonality in drive train components with your heavy truck, then it can be smaller.
If you don’t mandate the SEV modules be ISO container based, then your light truck can be smaller.
 
McG said:
If you don’t require your light truck to have commonality in drive train components with your heavy truck, then it can be smaller.
If you don’t mandate the SEV modules be ISO container based, then your light truck can be smaller.
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that kinda explains the LVM-light but not the MSVS and LVM-Heavy
whats the payload/gross requirement for a LVM light?
 
suffolkowner said:
that kinda explains the LVM-light but not the MSVS and LVM-Heavy
whats the payload/gross requirement for a LVM light?
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Ian Poulter explained all back in 2012

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Your heavy shall become medium, your medium shall become light and you shall gain a whole new class of super heavies which shall become your new heavies.

Meanwhile your lights will be Light Utility Vehicles (LUVs) and Light Force Enhancements (LFEs)

Light Utility Vehicle - Defence Capabilities Blueprint

Light Utility Vehicle - Defence Capabilities Blueprint
apps.forces.gc.ca apps.forces.gc.ca

1750252917574.png LUV ~ Milverado 2500

Light Forces Enhancement - Defence Capabilities Blueprint

Light Forces Enhancement - Defence Capabilities Blueprint
apps.forces.gc.ca apps.forces.gc.ca


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LFE-TMP Light Force Enhancement - Tactical Mobility Platform ~ ISV Infantry Squad Vehicle (Chev Colorado) or MRZR D4 from Polaris.
The ISV was selected for the Lithuanian Latvian (Sorry. My Error) mission for use by the third battalions that would be flying over.

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Note that the LVM-Light range is 2 to 4 tonnes. The vehicle that was in that range was the Deuce / Deuce and a half with a load rating of 2.5 tonnes off road and 5 tonnes on highways. Latterly it was known as the MLVW or the Medium Logistic Vehicle Wheeled.
 
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The fact that LVM has been talked about since 2012 and we still haven't received a single truck is fucking insane and indicative that the entire procurement process needs to be blown up and rebuilt from scratch. Shameful.
 
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