Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[Czech_pivo]

Here’s Sweden’s next move on rearming and how to fund it.
Notice how all parties in their government saw the need and worked together on this…

https://militarnyi.com/en/news/sweden-to-strengthen-its-defense-with-31-billion-in-loans/

 

[Halifax Tar]

Make it 5 or 10.

I'd be happy if the RCAF was all C17s.

 

[McG]

I'd be happy if the RCAF was all C17s.

That would negatively impact flexibility. There are a lot of northern airfields where those planes can’t land and we need a CC-130.

 

[FSTO]

Long article but interesting note at the end about Japan inquiring about new C17 production line. We could sweeten that pot with 3 or 4 more airframes to give depth to our strat fleet.

Exclusive: Boeing Ready to Restart U.S. C-17 Military Transport Aircraft Production Following Japan Interest

Exclusive: Boeing Ready to Restart U.S. C-17 Military Transport Aircraft Production Following Japan Interest

armyrecognition.com

I wish I could find the dismissive quote from the Liberal Defence Critic at the time of our purchase of the C17.
Bloody idjit. Was likely McCallum.

 

[Halifax Tar]

That would negatively impact flexibility. There are a lot of northern airfields where those planes can’t land and we need a CC-130.

There is an obvious ridiculous in my post. My point is I would love to see an RCAF that has a massive and robust ability to move material and people to where its needed.

I would love to see each deployed RCN ship allocated a C17 to move material and people in and out of every PoC.

 

[dapaterson]

There is an obvious ridiculous in my post. My point is I would love to see an RCAF that has a massive and robust ability to move material and people to where its needed.

I would love to see each deployed RCN ship allocated a C17 to move material and people in and out of every PoC.

So two then.

 

[Halifax Tar]

So two then.

You are so great at bringing me back down to reality lol.

But we probably need 6 just to make sure 2 are always in flying order.

 

[FSTO]

You are so great at bringing me back down to reality lol.

But we probably need 6 just to make sure 2 are always in flying order.

Well we only have 3 operational Cyclones.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Well we only have 3 operational Cyclones.

CRCN called out the Cyclones serviceability.

Glass houses and all that...

 

[Czech_pivo]

I wish I could find the dismissive quote from the Liberal Defence Critic at the time of our purchase of the C17.
Bloody idjit. Was likely McCallum.

Good old Chinese "Comrade" McCallum....

 

[FSTO]

CRCN called out the Cyclones serviceability.

Glass houses and all that...

Who gets the blame for the Cyclone debacle?

The Navy for insisting on a platform that can independently acquire and prosecute a contact independent of the ship?
The Air Force?
The CAF?
The Governments (starting with Chretien)
Hellyer?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Who gets the blame for the Cyclone debacle?

The Navy for insisting on a platform that can independently acquire and prosecute a contact independent of the ship?
The Air Force?
The CAF?
The Governments (starting with Chretien)
Hellyer?

When in doubt blame unification and Hellyer.

 

[GR66]

There is an obvious ridiculous in my post. My point is I would love to see an RCAF that has a massive and robust ability to move material and people to where its needed.

I would love to see each deployed RCN ship allocated a C17 to move material and people in and out of every PoC.

All kidding aside, one of the things that our NATO and other allies rely on the United States for is strategic airlift. Significantly increasing our own capability in that area would make us extremely valuable to our allies in the face of a potentially unreliable US. Combine that with large war stocks of key munitions to fly on those aircraft and Canada could play a key role in any future conflict.

Get another ten and we'd have almost double the fleet of any of our allies. Combine that with our 9 x CC-130's and our 17 x CC-130J's and we could move a significant amount of materiel.

 

[Halifax Tar]

All kidding aside, one of the things that our NATO and other allies rely on the United States for is strategic airlift. Significantly increasing our own capability in that area would make us extremely valuable to our allies in the face of a potentially unreliable US. Combine that with large war stocks of key munitions to fly on those aircraft and Canada could play a key role in any future conflict.

Get another ten and we'd have almost double the fleet of any of our allies. Combine that with our 9 x CC-130's and our 17 x CC-130J's and we could move a significant amount of materiel.

Agreed.

People often mistake the USA's power as one of war fighting. When in reality its power lays in its projection and sustainment ability.

 

[Czech_pivo]

All kidding aside, one of the things that our NATO and other allies rely on the United States for is strategic airlift. Significantly increasing our own capability in that area would make us extremely valuable to our allies in the face of a potentially unreliable US. Combine that with large war stocks of key munitions to fly on those aircraft and Canada could play a key role in any future conflict.

Get another ten and we'd have almost double the fleet of any of our allies. Combine that with our 9 x CC-130's and our 17 x CC-130J's and we could move a significant amount of materiel.

So the additional C17's are like Tier 1 Sniper teams that we have a reputation for, a 'force multiplier' - small numbers that can make a large impact.

 

[Furniture]

So the additional C17's are like Tier 1 Sniper teams that we have a reputation for, a 'force multiplier' - small numbers that can make a large impact.

There is also the reality that we are a long way from much of the world, so having the ability to move our own people and kit without contractors would be nice.

 

[GR66]

There is also the reality that we are a long way from much of the world rest of Canada, so having the ability to move our own people and kit without contractors would be nice.

Also this

 

[Halifax Tar]

There is also the reality that we are a long way from much of the world, so having the ability to move our own people and kit without contractors would be nice.

So well said.

 

[Kirkhill]

Here’s Sweden’s next move on rearming and how to fund it.
Notice how all parties in their government saw the need and worked together on this…

https://militarnyi.com/en/news/sweden-to-strengthen-its-defense-with-31-billion-in-loans/

31 BUSD / 10,000,000 Swedes
123 BUSD / 40,000,000 Canadians

55,516.84 USD (2023) Per capita GDP Sweden
53,431.19 USD (2023) Per capita GDP Canada

31.5% Debt to GDP Sweden
110.8% Debt to GDP Canada

 

[Kirkhill]

WRT the C17s

If their use is going to be intermittent maybe buy them and get Coulson Aviation to manage them like they managed the Mars waterbombers as a reserve fleet.

Martin Mars by Coulson Aviation |

martinmars.com

Fleet — COULSON AVIATION

CH-47 Helianker, UH-60 Helitanker. B737 Fireliner, C-130 Hercules, S-61 Helicopters, Martin Mars Water Bombers, Bombardier Challenger,

www.coulsonaviationusa.com