Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[quadrapiper]

Because if Im doing the job of the Regs, I expect to be paid like them.

Entirely agreed. So bin Class C and enable a WSE CT scheme.

 

[McG]

Entirely agreed. So bin Class C and enable a WSE CT scheme.

Could that have undesirable pension impacts for a reservist who primarily keeps to Class A but deploys for a couple short missions?

Again, the problem is not the existence of Class B nor Class C. The problem is a system that exploits such positions to circumvent government imposed PY ceilings (and permanent full-time PRes battalions that rotate personnel on two year increments would fall into this).

 

[Fabius]

Does anyone happen to have an update on when the updated payscale will be implemented? Kind of expecting Oct/Nov but haven't seen actual updated pay tables or any kind of updates on the timeline (unless it was on one of the mass DWAN emails I skimmed and deleted).

Updating the monthly pay rates seems pretty straight forward, as well as calculating the backpay, just expected that to lead and the other portions to follow.

Last I heard was early December.

 

[FJAG]

Could that have undesirable pension impacts for a reservist who primarily keeps to Class A but deploys for a couple short missions?

Lord love a duck but it's been a long time since I've looked at those issues.

At the time that the provisions for reserve inclusion in the CFSA came out the only significant down sides that I saw were two-fold.

1) Class B and C service worked like the RegF system in that all of the time on the contract, including non-worked time like weekends and holidays were counted (That's aide from the fact that the Class B was at a lower pay rate and hence pension rate than Class C). For Class A, only the days actually worked is counted. There is no adjustment factor for the fact that legally, even Class A reservists are on "stand by" for "mobilization." IMHO that made the plan very much a "what have you done for me today" type of plan for Class As but not the Class Bs and Cs were compensated both directly and indirectly for days off. I expressed my opinion at the time that Class A days should be upped by some factor - let's say two additional days for every five worked. You can imagine that that suggested died at the table.

2) The formula for buying back service for days served, regardless of class was, IMHO, entirely too high. My mind vaguely recalls 7% compounded. This was a big issue for those at the time, like myself, who had some 40 years of service that I could have bought back but for the incredibly high cost. That, however, is a problem that is going to gradually disappear as the vast majority of those serving will have joined after the implementation of the plan.

 

[dapaterson]

@McG is referring to what happens when a member of the Res F is deemed a member of the Reg F for the purposes of the CFSA (that is, they move from part I.1 to part I) and the knock on effect if they are also a contributor to the PSSA or RCMPSA.

The impact can be significant and damaging to an individual's retirement plan, and is not communicated to affected members.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I bought back my time at 11,000 a year as the men in my family are long lived. My wife has standing orders from me to keep me alive if I turn into a vegetable to ensure we get our monies worth out of that purchase.

 

[CountDC]

Does anyone happen to have an update on when the updated payscale will be implemented? Kind of expecting Oct/Nov but haven't seen actual updated pay tables or any kind of updates on the timeline (unless it was on one of the mass DWAN emails I skimmed and deleted).

Updating the monthly pay rates seems pretty straight forward, as well as calculating the backpay, just expected that to lead and the other portions to follow.

Not actually but there is some things happening to the pay systems in the near future which may be a hint.

Central Computation Pay System (CCPS) is planned to be taken off-line for dedicated system processing on the following dates: October 8-13, 2025, and/or October 22-27, 2025.

In order to deploy the Release 9.20.0, RPSR will be offline on 29 September from 12am (00:00) until 8am.

Now if this is to do with the increases it is possible we could see something as early as Oct.

Calculating the backpay is easy as the system does it when they change the rates.

 

[MilEME09]

If the army continues to see an increase in class C reservists like we are due to DOMOPs, and more overseas commitment by the reserves, we really need to invest in a proper transition from the Reserve pay system to the Regular force pay system. We have issues every year that due to switching pay systems people's pay gets screwed up. We had one case last summer that took 6 months to sort out in a cycle of the member needing and advance and then it getting clawed back because the class C pay never came in.

 

[FJAG]

I bought back my time at 11,000 a year as the men in my family are long lived. My wife has standing orders from me to keep me alive if I turn into a vegetable to ensure we get our monies worth out of that purchase.

I wish mine had been that cheap and unfortunately, based on my family's history with male death by heart attack, I've been living on borrowed time since I was 45 and planned accordingly.

I also wish the release information provided to me when I left the RegF would have gone into more detail between return of contributions and deferred annuity. Luckily I put it all into RRSP investments when interest rates were crazy high so I delude myself into thinking that I broke even in the long run.

 

[dapaterson]

If the army continues to see an increase in class C reservists like we are due to DOMOPs, and more overseas commitment by the reserves, we really need to invest in a proper transition from the Reserve pay system to the Regular force pay system. We have issues every year that due to switching pay systems people's pay gets screwed up. We had one case last summer that took 6 months to sort out in a cycle of the member needing and advance and then it getting clawed back because the class C pay never came in.

There are two parallel efforts right now:

First, consolidation of military pay into CCPS; and

Second, implementation of a new, off the shelf pay system (configured for CAF needs, but not customized).

However, there are limited support resources available to support the in service systems, and "keep alive" and "remain compliant" are prioritized over consolidation.

 

[ytz]

Does anyone happen to have an update on when the updated payscale will be implemented? Kind of expecting Oct/Nov but haven't seen actual updated pay tables or any kind of updates on the timeline (unless it was on one of the mass DWAN emails I skimmed and deleted).

Updating the monthly pay rates seems pretty straight forward, as well as calculating the backpay, just expected that to lead and the other portions to follow.

RUMINT says November will have the backpay.

 

[Underway]

Does anyone happen to have an update on when the updated payscale will be implemented? Kind of expecting Oct/Nov but haven't seen actual updated pay tables or any kind of updates on the timeline (unless it was on one of the mass DWAN emails I skimmed and deleted).

Updating the monthly pay rates seems pretty straight forward, as well as calculating the backpay, just expected that to lead and the other portions to follow.

End of Nov I was told.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Not sure where to put this, maybe thoughts on a new CDC (Continental Defense Corvette) sub page?

Navy commander says he wants a ‘Canadian from the core’ corvette fleet​

Topshee says the navy wants the ships to be “Canadian from the core” and “absolutely built in Canada,” wherever possible.

Navy commander says he wants a ‘Canadian from the core’ corvette fleet

The commander of the Royal Canadian Navy says the service is working to narrow down what it wants from a new fleet of continental defence corvettes it’s hoping to acquire about a decade from now.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Navy_Pete]

Not sure where to put this, maybe thoughts on a new CDC (Continental Defense Corvette) sub page?

Navy commander says he wants a ‘Canadian from the core’ corvette fleet​

Topshee says the navy wants the ships to be “Canadian from the core” and “absolutely built in Canada,” wherever possible.

Navy commander says he wants a ‘Canadian from the core’ corvette fleet

The commander of the Royal Canadian Navy says the service is working to narrow down what it wants from a new fleet of continental defence corvettes it’s hoping to acquire about a decade from now.

www.ctvnews.ca

So they want an artic ice capable small combatant built in Canada and delivered in a decade, not asking much really. I'm sure by then we'll have fixed our recruiting, training and retention issues and the trades at sub 50% PML will be all filled and growing to take on even more hulls.

 

[Underway]

So they want an artic ice capable small combatant built in Canada and delivered in a decade, not asking much really. I'm sure by then we'll have fixed our recruiting, training and retention issues and the trades at sub 50% PML will be all filled and growing to take on even more hulls.

I'm thinking its more Fentynol. That's a dissasociative drug.

I think we have the talent to design for sure. Not sure if we have the capacity to build that fast. And people is where the drugs come in.

Edit: on re-reading the arcticle I'm not sure if they meant we'll start building in 10 years or want them in 10 years. Probably want them in 10 years.

 

[quadrapiper]

Could that have undesirable pension impacts for a reservist who primarily keeps to Class A but deploys for a couple short missions?

Again, the problem is not the existence of Class B nor Class C. The problem is a system that exploits such positions to circumvent government imposed PY ceilings (and permanent full-time PRes battalions that rotate personnel on two year increments would fall into this).

So A makes sense, as does B. But what, other than pay, is the utility of C that couldn't be served by a CT, other than circumventing PY caps on (regardless of the component or path to hiring) permanent, indefinitely full-time CAF members?

Could equally clean up the circumvention issue by locking Class C hiring to fill only authorized Regular billets.

 

[QV]

So they want an artic ice capable small combatant built in Canada and delivered in a decade, not asking much really. I'm sure by then we'll have fixed our recruiting, training and retention issues and the trades at sub 50% PML will be all filled and growing to take on even more hulls.

One of the major hurdles for Canada is that "can't" is embedded within everything. The fact is we must.

 

[Czech_pivo]

One of the major hurdles for Canada is that "can't" is embedded within everything. The fact is we must.

“The Little Engine that Couldn’t” would be the title if written by a Canadian post 1960.

 

[Navy_Pete]

One of the major hurdles for Canada is that "can't" is embedded within everything. The fact is we must.

Why must we in this case? If coastal continental defence really is a must, I think we'd get much better bang for our buck with drones, mobile batteries and other things and not combat ships that are much bigger than the MCDVs we just got rid of (because we don't have people to crew them).

This particular project is aspirational at best, but starting out with a position that is divorced from reality and ignores real issues is dumb. Inconvenient things like infra required to support and maintain them, which is already a critical factor for the existing fleet, is another reality. Also people required to actually support and sustain ships in the 2nd and 3rd line is another critical shortage.

That way we wouldn't run into the same critical chokepoints that will stop us from being able to effectively operate AOPs, JSS, RCD and the subs which is people and expertise. Even if we built them overseas we don't have people now unless we park the frigates, but ships are a massive capitol investment with a huge support tail in service, and really not convinced we can't get the same capability quicker and more effectively with air and land assets.

 

[PrairieFella]

End of Nov I was told.

Twoish weeks before im tax-free