Exactly how it's done in real life today. Something the chatterati here would actually know if they have ever been inside an RJOC. Ships move at 20-30 kts. They aren't aircraft. So stuff starts getting tracked days or even weeks out. And maintaining the maritime picture is a major part of the job. Not just the last kinetic bit where they fire something.
Let’s be honest there are levels before that as well, as most threat targets are known before they take to the air or sea.
The opinions here are ignorant and childish. These guys would probably end up firing a PrSM against a boat carrying illegal immigrants. When you have a hammer, everything is a nail, I guess.
My argument for ages has been that is the CA’s outlook, except they had a pretty crappy hammer, so a lot of screws managed to avoid getting ‘nailed’.
By and large I agree with you that the Coastal Artillery Missile stuff is just noise.
Let's hope the new agency works out. It's moving quick. Decks were being prepared last week on every major project. Fastest I've ever seen something go from public announcement to actual work.
That is most needed, as the CAF is in some serious rust out issues.
Which is unique to the US and maybe China. Nobody else has a military large enough to treat a division like a standard tactical formation.
The Division is a maneuver formation. It doesn’t matter who has it, it is just that many armies haven’t been involved in LSCO’s and got sucked into the GWOT BCT’ism (I’d argue Canada fell into that trap and worse right after WW2.
If the standard tactical unit is a brigade, the Div as the higher formation will have some administrative and support functions that the Americans might do at the Corps or EAC level. If your argument it's that the American way is the only correct answer, I guess most of NATO is going to be wrong. Oh well.
The breakdown doesn’t occur really like that.
A lot of countries opted for the BCT setup for GWOW as it allowed Brigades to be the core of the deployment as the Divisional assets where not needed at the same level.
Most NATO countries are re-organizing toward focus on LSCO, and reverting some things that had been pushed to Bde’s (like guns) into their own own Bde’s at Div.
Canada has been deploying BN based Combat Teams since Korea, the 4CMBG pocket Div was a Cold War aspect to Canada contribution.
When you deploy less than a Div you end up be reliant on other nations for higher support (both CS and CSS), generally a Bde is viewed as the smallest viable separate formation, even though Canada has repeatedly deployed smaller entities.
Who says the whole division deploys every single time? They literally said in the doc the LIR is a crisis response force.
You don’t need to deploy the whole Div, but you have the ability. It is much easier to scale down to an event than scale up.
The LIR will suffer from two masters - CJOC and 3Div (or whatever it is eventually called).
3Div is supposed to be focused Europe, and will have a Bde+/- deployed to Latvia
Let's be honest what is likely to happen here. They'll force generate a Div HQ for say a place like Latvia. It'll have a CMBG and some support elements. The rest of the combat power will come from other allies attachments. That's what this setup is for. It let's them maintain the competency of operating at the Div level. It doesn't mean the CA is going to start shipping whole divisions to Europe.
Agreed. But if 3Div ends up with the HQ in Latvia along with a CMBG, and then the LIR needs to go to Africa, Asia whatever- the reporting chain is a tad FUBAR.
CANSOF is most likely to take over the vacuum and then no one will get the LIR back - it will be the Ranger Reg’t giving support to CSOR and the Hill. Which while good for CANSOF, will totally gut the CA of Light Force proponents.
It isn’t logical to put the LIR into the Man Div.
I also think the DoC Div name is a tad bizarre, other than perhaps making it more politically palatable to get the PRes equipment.
