That is already paid for and on standby 24/7.
Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC
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That is already paid for and on standby 24/7.
Hence the creation of the Support Div.
MilEME09
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PrSM has been part of the Himars plan since day 1, I doubt we will just drop it. Munitions are also easier to buy them systems.
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The Himars seems like a straight forward purchase but we haven’t had a great track record of purchase et el for the last decade.
14 years to repair a submarine is one of my favorites. Now that's different from an off the shelf purchase but it speaks to how unserious our whole system is, especially when it takes between 2 to 4 years to build an electric diesel submarine.
We're built around dick fighting with contracts for years then award a contract and watch contractors et el find ways to milk the system.
The only success we seem to have with purchasing is buying shit we need but giving it to Ukraine.
On that note
No new timeline for F-35 decision, Carney to decide ‘when he’s ready’: Fuhr
Not really holding mt breath for all of Carneys military purchase promises, or those from the past 10 years.
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It’s being used as a bargaining chip.
Low. I know some of you are just hung up on politics. But there's a clear push inside the institution to accelerate. And that hasn't before under any other PM in living memory.
Maybe Carney is somehow manipulated out of this pro-military push. But for now this is going well.
This has been true for way longer than a decade. A few big ticket items getting purchased on IOR during Afghanistan doesn't mean procurement was vastly better before. Also, most of the Army's rust out started exactly in that time period when replacements were cut or whittled down to cheaper recapitalization projects. We tried to fight a war on the cheap. We're now paying for it.
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I'm hung up on defending Canada so my family is safe.
The Liberal party doesn't take the defense of Canada seriously.
It's the same old promises we've seen for 10, 20, 30 years. It's month 7, what has Carney done differently that his predecessors?ytz said:
Going well exactly how?
Yep. Conservatives have had no power to change anything over the last decade, Liberals have. Liberal performance on defence has been abysmal. Carneys "I'm a fresh face and I'm going to fix everything" promises don't mean much.
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In a different geopolitical climate, you can bet the Liberals would not be that interested in defense. As the UK PM said "Events, my dear boy, events"
If that's true, what does it say about the CPC that was at 1% spending when we had troops down range?
I don't think apathy on defence is uniquely a Liberal trait in Canada, unfortunately. Both major parties usually have higher priorities. CPC with tax cuts. LPC with social spending.
Actually committed to hitting 2% this Fiscal. And is cutting cheques to do that, for a start. Show me a PM who has made that commitment with a sincere effort, since Mulroney.
Also, like I said, unless you're on a project, you're not seeing it. But it's the first time anybody has seen demands for accelerating procurement. And it's actually coming from the centre. I have reservations about whether the rest of government will adjust to the new reality. But this is a markedly different tone that none of my older colleagues can remember. I have seen people out off retirement because they understand how different this moment is. So whatever your cynicism, there's more than a few people that believe this is different.
It's true of any government. I'm just glad that money is flowing. And long-standing reforms (like the procurement agency) are being moved on.
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Projects being asked what they need to move faster.
Funding decisions for optimal, not minimal, levels of equipment.
There are still institutional and individual obstacles that need to be addressed - in some cases people are obsessed with "doing their job" without understanding the context and desired outcome of their job - triumphs of process over outcome. But those are also seeing some improvement.
All I know is after decades of neglect RP seems very keen at wanting to throw money at armouries.
First time ever that Project Managers and Project Directors are being asked what is needed to move up IOC and FOC. Sometimes it's not money, it's governance.
Briefs were being prepared for the new agency over the last few weeks. Fastest I've seen from announcement to stand up, in government.
Also, just the change in tone from the top. No more, "You will follow every process to the T." Now, "Do what you have to do to get it done. Just don't do anything illegal.". And that's not me exaggerating. Almost verbatim from a 2 leaf at my staff orientation few weeks ago.
We're all waiting to see what this new agency is going to do. That's the big test. For a lot of the multi-billion dollar stuff the hold up is Treasury Board. If this new agency replaces TB Approval with some kind of delegated authority, it'll be a game changer.
Right now, every single change or innovative procurement strategy requires a change to the TB Sub. And that sets you back at least 6 months. It creates a mindset where PDs will even push requirements they know are incomplete because they fear governance slippage. An agency that has competent procurement folks whose job is to say "yes" instead of "no" would completely change the procurement mindset of the institution.
Yep. And this wasn't even the case 6 months ago. I was literally arguing with ADM(IE) to get trees trimmed at an antenna site last fall. "Not business planned."
It's unbelievable how much things have changed.
I get that it will take time to translate down.
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LEts hope that translates to new infrastructure in a major way, both Reg and Res. They could probably hit 2% just fixing and replacing crumbling armouries, barracks, warehouses, classrooms, etc.
Very, very true.
The complaints and leaks are starting. And it's easy to see who is disgruntled by the change.
I thought the leak about insufficient funding for poppies was telling.
I'm hoping for this too. Especially if the economy starts slowing, it's an easy win to put construction workers back to work and improve the efficiency of the CAF too.
My fear is that there isn't enough long term planning in a lot of branches to have projects that are ready to be funded. Whoever is shovel ready will get funding when the call comes.
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Judging from what ive read, Carney is approaching this like a business deal when it comes to procurement. Meaning he doesnt want lip service her wants results, internally theres a lot of money thats been green lit for things not announced yet that DND wants.
I think there's a bit of unique background here. He's the only Canadian who has served at an executive level of a P5 member. I think that gives him unique insight into the value of hard power, how military spending can bolster the economy, etc. Especially in a situation where certain sectors have excess capacity due to trade issues with the US. America won't take our steel? Let's build ships and armoured vehicles and rail to use up that steel.
I literally cannot see any other PM (Liberal or Conservative) pushing this quick when the deficit is this high. Most Canadian politicians are just hyper focused on some balance between the deficit and their core political priority (tax cuts or social spending). For better or worse, this guy seems to approach things from a different angle.
Maybe the Liberal party machinery will break him in. But for now, I'm going to enjoy this rare feeling of hope.
