Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[Colin Parkinson]

Regular school in a poorer area.




Weren't you just whining that teachers don't do enough to encourage volunteerism? You should start that discussion at home ....

The whole school system and curriculum needs revamping. We have the most globally connected kids in history and they have no idea where anything is, that's just one of my sore points.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

What happens if the School, the physical infrastructure, is treated like community property, like, in fact a community hall and property of the local rate payers rather than the property of the Board of Education?

September to June, Monday to Friday, 8 to 4, it provides a place of instruction for accredited teachers supplied by the Board to teach.

Outside of those times and activities it is available to the local community to use as it sees fit.

I have seen that in some small communities, but outside of that, most of the schools are closed for the summer. Growing up the shops at the schools all offered night schools to help pay for themselves.

 

[lenaitch]

I have seen that in some small communities, but outside of that, most of the schools are closed for the summer. Growing up the shops at the schools all offered night schools to help pay for themselves.

I'm seeing a growing movement, mostly in smaller communities, to have sort of a combined school/community centre, but mostly at the new build phase. The devil is always in the details regarding who pays for what in terms of capital, operating costs, liability, etc. A lot of communication and consultation has to take place. There's little sense in a municipality wanting a school within their bounds if the Board isn't on board (heh) for staffing, catchment and all the other things to go along with a school.

 

[Kirkhill]

It already isn't difficult for some community groups to use school property.

Let's make it easier.

 

[Kirkhill]

I'm seeing a growing movement, mostly in smaller communities, to have sort of a combined school/community centre, but mostly at the new build phase. The devil is always in the details regarding who pays for what in terms of capital, operating costs, liability, etc. A lot of communication and consultation has to take place. There's little sense in a municipality wanting a school within their bounds if the Board isn't on board (heh) for staffing, catchment and all the other things to go along with a school.

Which raises the whole philosophical debate about central versus local control and finding an acceptable balance.

 

[ytz]

What happens if the School, the physical infrastructure, is treated like community property, like, in fact a community hall and property of the local rate payers rather than the property of the Board of Education?

September to June, Monday to Friday, 8 to 4, it provides a place of instruction for accredited teachers supplied by the Board to teach.

Outside of those times and activities it is available to the local community to use as it sees fit.

You must believe money grows on trees. The use of buildings outside of "business" hours is entirely a function of resources. And as we have discussed before, this country is short a whole bunch of things because our gerontocracy favours the economic priorities of a certain class.

 

[Kirkhill]

You must believe money grows on trees. The use of buildings outside of "business" hours is entirely a function of resources. And as we have discussed before, this country is short a whole bunch of things because our gerontocracy favours the economic priorities of a certain class.

And if the locals wanted a place to supply services free of charge? Were willing to keep the place clean and tidy on their own time? Offered to coach teams and lead bands? Provide lectures as entertainment? Organize clubs at the local meeting house?

That was the world in which I grew up.

Aye, and I ken fine the world has changed. Making decisions will do that to you.

 

[Czech_pivo]

And if the locals wanted a place to supply services free of charge? Were willing to keep the place clean and tidy on their own time? Offered to coach teams and lead bands? Provide lectures as entertainment? Organize clubs at the local meeting house?

That was the world in which I grew up.

Aye, and I ken fine the world has changed. Making decisions will do that to you.

I used to be able to play baseball at primary school over recess and lunch hour - full on baseball, wooden bats, hardballs, bases, everything.
Now - no baseball because no bats or hardballs allowed and almost all the diamonds have disappeared.

 

[Brad Sallows]

You must believe money grows on trees. The use of buildings outside of "business" hours is entirely a function of resources. And as we have discussed before, this country is short a whole bunch of things because our gerontocracy favours the economic priorities of a certain class.

Trudeau isn't old enough to qualify for "gerontocracy", nor were almost all of his ministers. They found plenty of ways to spend. This country is short a whole bunch of things in part because they blew out their gaffs spending on their own prize pigs, starting in 2015, and were elected by people to whom they had promised to spend in deficit, most of whom were also not that old. Imagine the difference if they'd simply maintained budgets near zero balance for the past 10 years.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I have seen that in some small communities, but outside of that, most of the schools are closed for the summer. Growing up the shops at the schools all offered night schools to help pay for themselves.

Many of the schools around here seem to be under construction or renovation, so I assume aren't available in the summer...

 

[ytz]

Trudeau isn't old enough to qualify for "gerontocracy", nor were almost all of his ministers.

No. But he still pandered mostly to older voters. And it's not just me saying this. Here's Harper's economic advisor Sean Speer:

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/corridors/2021/05/19/the-politics-of-gerontocracy-in-canada-795394

They found plenty of ways to spend.

And that spending disproportionately benefited old people. From things like the "grocery rebate" to dental care that launched with old folks. And of course, there's the most ridiculous policy where child benefits get clawed back at family income of $46k while OAS doesn't get clawed back till an individual income of $90k.

But that's just federal. We give seniors tax breaks and discounts at every level of government and society. What's magical about age 65 that you need cheaper bus fare compared a struggling 22 yr old college student?

Back on topic, I see whining about why can't teachers do XYZ and why can't school boards offer up ABC? And for all that talk about young people not volunteering enough where's the pledge here to lead by example with time and money?

 

[ytz]

And if the locals wanted a place to supply services free of charge? Were willing to keep the place clean and tidy on their own time? Offered to coach teams and lead bands? Provide lectures as entertainment? Organize clubs at the local meeting house?

Sounds nice.

That was the world in which I grew up.

And then y'all collectively voted at every level of government to ensure that nobody has the resources to offer that today. Cost of using that infrastructure isn't just tidying up after.

Go ask your local school board how much it would cost to do this again. I'm sure it'll be educational for you.

 

[Kirkhill]

Sounds nice.



And then y'all collectively voted at every level of government to ensure that nobody has the resources to offer that today. Cost of using that infrastructure isn't just tidying up after.

Go ask your local school board how much it would cost to do this again. I'm sure it'll be educational for you.

I can't entirely argue the point with you. Especially on the point of democratic decision making. Too bad we can't unmake decisions... or can we?

 

[ytz]

I can't entirely argue the point with you. Especially on the point of democratic decision making. Too bad we can't unmake decisions... or can we?

We can't. We have to play the hand we're dealt. And that means accepting today's (vastly more resource constrained) reality, instead of constantly fantasizing about a past that is not coming back.

 

[Czech_pivo]

No. But he still pandered mostly to older voters. And it's not just me saying this. Here's Harper's economic advisor Sean Speer:

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/corridors/2021/05/19/the-politics-of-gerontocracy-in-canada-795394

And that spending disproportionately benefited old people. From things like the "grocery rebate" to dental care that launched with old folks. And of course, there's the most ridiculous policy where child benefits get clawed back at family income of $46k while OAS doesn't get clawed back till an individual income of $90k.

But that's just federal. We give seniors tax breaks and discounts at every level of government and society. What's magical about age 65 that you need cheaper bus fare compared a struggling 22 yr old college student?

Back on topic, I see whining about why can't teachers do XYZ and why can't school boards offer up ABC? And for all that talk about young people not volunteering enough where's the pledge here to lead by example with time and money?

I'm curious as to why CPP is listed here? The Fed's do not pay a penny of tax revenue to CPP. This is a stand alone entity that workers and companies pay into.

 

[dapaterson]

I'm curious as to why CPP is listed here? The Fed's do not pay a penny of tax revenue to CPP. This is a stand alone entity that workers and companies pay into.

On a going forward basis that is correct. There are still unfunded legacy benefits, though.

 

[Czech_pivo]

On a going forward basis that is correct. There are still unfunded legacy benefits, though.

Not sitting at those numbers there is not

AI Overview


No Canadian general tax revenue goes to the
Canada Pension Plan (CPP); instead, it is funded entirely by mandatory contributions from employees, employers, and self-employed individuals, as well as from the investment income earned on these contributions. General tax revenue is not used for CPP; however, employers and employees can deduct their contributions from taxable income, and CPP is considered a public pension separate from the general government budget

 

[brihard]

Not sitting at those numbers there is not

AI Overview


No Canadian general tax revenue goes to the
Canada Pension Plan (CPP); instead, it is funded entirely by mandatory contributions from employees, employers, and self-employed individuals, as well as from the investment income earned on these contributions. General tax revenue is not used for CPP; however, employers and employees can deduct their contributions from taxable income, and CPP is considered a public pension separate from the general government budget

I’m not sure you or the AI accurately understood what @dapaterson was saying. It sounds like there are benefits earned in the past that were not, at that time, adequately funded by contributions. I’m not able to speak to where that gap is made up, but I bet he is.

 

[Czech_pivo]

I’m not sure you or the AI accurately understood what @dapaterson was saying. It sounds like there are benefits earned in the past that were not, at that time, adequately funded by contributions. I’m not able to speak to where that gap is made up, but I bet he is.

The chart that I was and am questioning is titled 'New Spending Planned in the Federal Budget' and it displays that the CPP has a spend of '$31 billion' and I am questioning what that is. The Federal Government DOES NOT spend a penny on general tax revenue on the CPP. Again, the chart clearly shows CPP as a spend of 31$ billion and that is supposed to be 'in new spending planned in the Federal Budget' - its wrong and misleading.

 

[brihard]

The chart that I was and am questioning is titled 'New Spending Planned in the Federal Budget' and it displays that the CPP has a spend of '$31 billion' and I am questioning what that is. The Federal Government DOES NOT spend a penny on general tax revenue on the CPP. Again, the chart clearly shows CPP as a spend of 31$ billion and that is supposed to be 'in new spending planned in the Federal Budget' - it’s wrong and misleading.

Sorry, got caught up in the quibble- yes, including it in the graphic (even with the ‘fully prepaid’ caveat) is deceptive.

I will add the note that ‘no federal spending’ isn’t true, inasmuch as any increase in CPP payable by employers will impact federal employers.