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100% there are legal ways they could go about this but they didnt, so throw the book at them
Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC
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The upgrade of the C1 howitzer to the C3 was done by a company in the Netherlands called RDM. The process and many of the parts were patented by RDM. Around 2004 RDM went bankrupt. Their intellectual property and tools, spares and service contracts were bought up by a company called Nedefco . . . who promptly went bankrupt not long after. By 2006 we were having several problems, particulalry in the recoil cylinder which was a different and heavier duty one than the original. The IP was by this point in time in complete limbo. By that time roughly 1/3 of our fleet was non operational. Still good for dry training but not live firing.
A roughly concurrent problem was that around this time there was the introduction of the C132 105mm HEER (HE extended range) round. The previous rounds had used a copper-bronze driving band; the new ones had a driving band made of sintered iron. Unfortunately this round's propellant also played havoc on both the LG1 and the C3's progressive rifling wearing barrels out very quickly (as quickly as 600 rds of Zone 2 (high zone) on the LG1). Tests showed the accuracy of the C3 with C132 rounds was dropping fast. Long story short, just as we were getting ready to go to Kandahar we were in a world of hurt for guns.
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That's a crappy article. An injunction is a court order. An interlocutory injunction is a temporary court order.Why? Not their turf.
It seems not everybody on the Territory is happy about it.
Injunction served to block OPP raids on Tyendinaga Mohawk marijuana operations
An injunction has been served upon the Ontario Provincial Police and Tyendinaga Police Service seeking to block police raids and seizures of marijuana operations on Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory.www.intelligencer.ca
This appears to be neither. It's an application for a hearing in order to obtain an interlocutory injunction. It's not a done deal yet.
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Interesting,The upgrade of the C1 howitzer to the C3 was done by a company in the Netherlands called RDM. The process and many of the parts were patented by RDM. Around 2004 RDM went bankrupt. Their intellectual property and tools, spares and service contracts were bought up by a company called Nedefco . . . who promptly went bankrupt not long after. By 2006 we were having several problems, particulalry in the recoil cylinder which was a different and heavier duty one than the original. The IP was by this point in time in complete limbo. By that time roughly 1/3 of our fleet was non operational. Still good for dry training but not live firing.
A roughly concurrent problem was that around this time there was the introduction of the C132 105mm HEER (HE extended range) round. The previous rounds had used a copper-bronze driving band; the new ones had a driving band made of sintered iron. Unfortunately this round's propellant also played havoc on both the LG1 and the C3's progressive rifling wearing barrels out very quickly (as quickly as 600 rds of Zone 2 (high zone) on the LG1). Tests showed the accuracy of the C3 with C132 rounds was dropping fast. Long story short, just as we were getting ready to go to Kandahar we were in a world of hurt for guns.
Well, European law sets out 20 years for the life of a patent, provided everything is done on an annual basis during that time to maintain the patent. Theres little reason a Canadian company couldn’t, right now, start working towards developing the required remedies for the weapon. Even if the patent holder for the insolvent company attempts to assert some rights, the associated IP is likely already in the public domain or about to be. And given this is a munition issue under patent law, nothing from an IP perspective really prevents Canada (the Crown) from proceeding accordingly. DRDC or a similar agency could issue contracts to draw up plans and then associate Crown documentation and subsequently own whatever 2025 improvements to the guns are required. It sounds to me that it’s more likely DND was using IP as a lame excuse for the government to choose some other path rather than fix the guns. Just my 0.02…
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When these issues raised their head the conversion was less than 10 years old. I talked to the 105mm LCMM about all this stuff over three interviews over about six hours and a bunch of lengthy emails. Same with folks higher up in the CAF. I'm pretty sure this was never an issue that hit the government but stayed internal to the CAF - even more it stayed internal to the army.
At the time the C3s were already over 50 years old and no one was going to spend a lot (read that as any) money on them. The M777 came on line in 2005 and by 2006 everyone was pretty sure it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. They wanted more triple 7s and we quickly got up to 12 and then more slowly to 37.
As Afghanistan progressed the C3 (and the LG1) all became more a Militia gun and not high on anyone's priority except internal to the arty. Remember with only a dozen M777s until Afghanistan was over, (6 in theatre; 6 at home) even the RegF had to use the 105mm for a lot of their training. There was a brief moment (I think in 2009 or 10) where the 105s were relegated for divestment although that was quickly reversed since there was zero replacement on the horizon. It hasn't been considered an "operational" gun for well over 15 years. The plan is to replace the 105s with something modern but that's been a plan for a long time. IFM is looking at 155mm SPs (to replace the M777) and mortars so take a guess which way this is heading for the reserves.
I'll give you my personal opinion. I think we should keep the M777s (maybe some LG1s as well). We should give about 2/3s of the M777s, the SPs and the HIMARS to the reserves. Cut each RegF regiment to one battery and make the 2nd and 3rd batteries ARes. The 600 PYs that are saved should all be converted to air defence. The four or five ARes arty units that are left over become loitering munition launcher batteries. The C3s will then be given a nice retirement ceremony and then be relegated to saluting troops. (Maybe let the 400,000 look after that)
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85% is good enough to get started.
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I know! I’ve read all of your books!When these issues raised their head the conversion was less than 10 years old. I talked to the 105mm LCMM about all this stuff over three interviews over about six hours and a bunch of lengthy emails. Same with folks higher up in the CAF. I'm pretty sure this was never an issue that hit the government but stayed internal to the CAF - even more it stayed internal to the army.
At the time the C3s were already over 50 years old and no one was going to spend a lot (read that as any) money on them. The M777 came on line in 2005 and by 2006 everyone was pretty sure it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. They wanted more triple 7s and we quickly got up to 12 and then more slowly to 37.
As Afghanistan progressed the C3 (and the LG1) all became more a Militia gun and not high on anyone's priority except internal to the arty. Remember with only a dozen M777s until Afghanistan was over, (6 in theatre; 6 at home) even the RegF had to use the 105mm for a lot of their training. There was a brief moment (I think in 2009 or 10) where the 105s were relegated for divestment although that was quickly reversed since there was zero replacement on the horizon. It hasn't been considered an "operational" gun for well over 15 years. The plan is to replace the 105s with something modern but that's been a plan for a long time. IFM is looking at 155mm SPs (to replace the M777) and mortars so take a guess which way this is heading for the reserves.
I'll give you my personal opinion. I think we should keep the M777s (maybe some LG1s as well). We should give about 2/3s of the M777s, the SPs and the HIMARS to the reserves. Cut each RegF regiment to one battery and make the 2nd and 3rd batteries ARes. The 600 PYs that are saved should all be converted to air defence. The four or five ARes arty units that are left over become loitering munition launcher batteries. The C3s will then be given a nice retirement ceremony and then be relegated to saluting troops. (Maybe let the 400,000 look after that)
