Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[Furniture]

It may come to surprise people but we are already supporting deployed Naval forces.

So a command is established to train Army NSEs, that we call Joint, and then put a fighter pilot as it's Commander and an infanteer as the CWO. That's some highly concentrated CAF fuckery.

Support Occupations/systems fell under multiple layers of Admin below the L1 level. By making a new L1 responsible directly for the FG of personnel and units, it gives them a seat at the adult table where the money decisions are made.

There is no guarantee that it will work out, but as you have pointed on on here multiple times before, the current L1s don't take support nearly seriously enough. This is at least an attempt to elevate the support side of things to the same level as the cool toys the elemental L1s care about.

 

[Good2Golf]

Support Occupations/systems fell under multiple layers of Admin below the L1 level. By making a new L1 responsible directly for the FG of personnel and units, it gives them a seat at the adult table where the money decisions are made.

There is no guarantee that it will work out, but as you have pointed on on here multiple times before, the current L1s don't take support nearly seriously enough. This is at least an attempt to elevate the support side of things to the same level as the cool toys the elemental L1s care about.

If only the L1s, or even one of them, had respected support and had made a supporter their commander in order to greatly improve things overall…if that had happened, the service that had such a supporter as commander would have been much better off than the fellow services.

Oh, wait…

 

[PPCLI Guy]

I've long been a proponent of this. It's a Force Generator orphanage.

We've got a few 2 and 3*s in Ottawa whose principal role is to manage the corporate side of the house - the VCDS is in some ways the COS of the CAF, while CMP is supposed to be in overwatch over military HR (ie. CAF J1) but they are also double-hatted as Force Generators for purple formations and units that provide capabilties to all the Army, Navy, Air Force, and CANSOFCOM. This has created funny scenarios where we give the VCDS a GOFO to run the FG side and we double hat CMP as Comd MPC. We also have capabilities that migrated to civilian ADMs - not very clean to have military capacity that goes through an ADM-DM chain when the CDS is the legal source for all legal orders and operational execution in the CAF.

End result is that you have military capabilities that aren't green, blue, navy blue, or tan shot all over the CAF.

Solution: put all these essential capabilities under a purple Force Generator (CJFC) and free up those NDHQ staff officers like VCDS and CMP to focus on their corporate responsibilities. This keeps the functions of Force Generation and Force Management separate.

This.

As we discussed in 2018 at some length.....I even have your slides from when you reviewed my original proposal!

 

[Good2Golf]

This.

As we discussed in 2018 at some length.....I even have your slides from when you reviewed by original proposal!

Would love to see an org chart.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Support Occupations/systems fell under multiple layers of Admin below the L1 level. By making a new L1 responsible directly for the FG of personnel and units, it gives them a seat at the adult table where the money decisions are made.

This is going to have zero influence on ship borne activities.

So looking at this from an NSE construct, do we remove the FSG/NSE/MPs and Med folks from the BG and work them up independently, is that the plan ?

There is no guarantee that it will work out, but as you have pointed on on here multiple times before, the current L1s don't take support nearly seriously enough. This is at least an attempt to elevate the support side of things to the same level as the cool toys the elemental L1s care about.

Creating an L1 to do what is already being done is not going to correct the disservice done to CSS trades in the CAF. And the fact that organization is being lead by a fighter pilot and infanteer tells me everything I need to know.

 

[FJAG]

Couple thoughts.
1. I think the CAF had a decision to make on this issue. Either cut all purple stuff back to the respective elements or group them under a new thing to make force generation vs force mgmt clearer.

I would have preferred the first option as the more effective at the user end while I recognize this makes it simpler at the high-level cross CAF management end.

There are several joint issues here which need to be managed at a central level, (intelligence, air and missile defence and a few others) but I see others which need a level of decentralization - Health services and policing are two that spring to my mind. IMHO, CJFC will work if certain elements of each of health services and the MP are dedicated to the army, navy and air force and are organized into units dedicated to a specific role and receive additional training and exercising accordingly.

The field ambulances are okay with some tweaking but a divisional field hospital and theatre evacuation chain needs work. Military police have morphed themselves into a policing agency but there is little being done in organizing into divisional MP regiments that can handle POWs in mass, or refugee control or even traffic control. Many of these should be hybrid organizations with a high reserve force element.

Heck, I'll throw in the JAG and the years of frustration I had in convincing him we needed a divisional JAG structure at an army divisional and theatre level (like an American Staff Judge Advocate cell with both lawyers and paralegals etc etc ) because some day . . . instead we ad hoc all that crap only when the op is given a name.

Incidentally, I wish we'd stop referring to NCEs and NSEs and make them preconfigured modular theatre command headquarters which are assigned preconfigured modular army CS and CSS battalions as required for a given op.

Howizzit you have been unified longer than you have fliwn Pearson's Pennant and you still can't figure out how to work together?

Mobile Command with its own tactical air group enters the chat. How'd that work out for us?

Every once in a while you need to reinvent the wheel. Sometimes you invent it but can't get up the enthusiasm everywhere to actually build it.

To create an empire you usually have to destroy one. Sometimes they do not like to go quietly into the night.

 

[MilEME09]

All the more reason we need to arm now, though I doubt the same group would be keen to enlist either

Canadians support sending troops to Poland if Russia invades: poll

Support among women is at 56 per cent and at 76 per cent among men. Only 16 per cent of Canadians would oppose the deployment.

nationalpost.com

 

[Fabius]

This is going to have zero influence on ship borne activities.

So looking at this from an NSE construct, do we remove the FSG/NSE/MPs and Med folks from the BG and work them up independently, is that the plan?

Looking at it from a unit perspective of any element it likely won’t be noticeable. CF Health Svc will continue to fill CFTPO bricks.
I think again it should be understood from a higher level, Bde, Division, L1 to L1etc.

Specialist elements will always continue to get worked up independently for their specialist qualifications. Medics as an example don’t don’t their medical work up as part of the Inf Bn work up.