Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[WestIsle]

Other than the made in Canada aspect it makes you wonder why the Spike and RBS -70 buys have not been scaled to Army wide quantities or for that Matter replacement of the Carl Gustaf's. Now about some Twin Otters?

Twin Otters are built or will be built out West so thats a no go. Just look at the new purchases of Beachcraft for training.

 

[ytz]

Other than the made in Canada aspect it makes you wonder why the Spike and RBS -70 buys have not been scaled to Army wide quantities or for that Matter replacement of the Carl Gustaf's.

Probably some wider project to buy a large quantity and try and get an ATGM manufacturing line here.

Now about some Twin Otters?

There's still discussions on whether the Twotter is best for that role. Or how that role should be restructured.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Y'all keep wondering how we're going to hit 2%. This is how. Everything on the books that reached Options Analysis is getting accelerated. Especially if it creates jobs in Canada.

This clearly has everything to do with creating jobs lol.

No PM should ever be asked to close trade deals and be considered a serious statesman without their very own “Nuage chaise” in which to lie back and skilfully contemplate their next powerhouse move.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Probably some wider project to buy a large quantity and try and get an ATGM manufacturing line here.



There's still discussions on whether the Twotter is best for that role. Or how that role should be restructured.

That is interesting, because I cannot think of a better aircraft for rough field operations, up north.

Open to hearing about COAs.

 

[Good2Golf]

That is interesting, because I cannot think of a better aircraft for rough field operations, up north.

Open to hearing about COAs.

CL-515s?

 

[Kirkhill]

Probably some wider project to buy a large quantity and try and get an ATGM manufacturing line here.



There's still discussions on whether the Twotter is best for that role. Or how that role should be restructured.

If it is possible to reduce driver workload on trucks with "autonomous" kits like PATH and
If it is possible to make it possible for a supply sergeant to direct a Blackhawk with a tablet and a couple of hours instruction
Is there merit in simplifying the operation of the Twotter?

 

[daftandbarmy]

CL-515s?

There's a good argument for adding float planes to our inventory... millions of lakes in Canada (and Russia threatened Scandinavia and elsewhere) are a good reason for that.

De Havilland Canadair 515 - De Havilland Canada

Building on the exceptional operational capability of the CL-415, this next generation aircraft offers significant benefits to operators, including design changes that incorporate new materials, and corrosion protection to reduce maintenance costs.

dehavilland.com

 

[Furniture]

s there merit in simplifying the operation of the Twotter?

I don't do Air Ops stuff anymore, but what a Twotter can do with a human in the seat is far more complex than what a
"drone" can do with a remote pilot.

UAS operate efficiently in environments with lots of weather data. The north is the opposite of that environment. We have lots of shitty "weather observations" from shitty automated sites, but the reality is, the North is still the Wild West, and pilots need to visually fly a lot of what they do.

 

[Kirkhill]

I don't do Air Ops stuff anymore, but what a Twotter can do with a human in the seat is far more complex than what a
"drone" can do with a remote pilot.

UAS operate efficiently in environments with lots of weather data. The north is the opposite of that environment. We have lots of shitty "weather observations" from shitty automated sites, but the reality is, the North is still the Wild West, and pilots need to visually fly a lot of what they do.

Do they need to decide where and when to fly and what routes to take or do they need to keep the aircraft in the air?
Can better controls make it easier to keep the plane in the air?
Flight planning is something else again.
Just wondering.

 

[Furniture]

Do they need to decide where and when to fly and what routes to take or do they need to keep the aircraft in the air?
Can better controls make it easier to keep the plane in the air?
Flight planning is something else again.
Just wondering.

Once you get outside of the safe world of international airports, the weather observing and forecasting capabilities start being a real problem.

It isn't about keeping a plane in the air, it's about assessing whether or not the weather is actually workable for landings. At an international airport with an RVR reported, and all the other trappings, it's pretty easy to land an airplane. When you're at Pond Inlet, with bad obs, and dynamic weather, a UAS operated by a dude in Ottawa is a receipt for disaster.

 

[Kirkhill]

My flying experience matches my sailing experience.

10 years visiting fishing villages from Ketchikan to Nome and out beyond Dutch. Float transfers in coves, fat tires on gravel, squeezed between mountain and cloud. Otters, Twotters, Gooses and Widgeons and two seater Pipers. VFRs and not a control tower to be seen.

I trusted the weird assortment of bush pilots that I flew with.

I am aware weather is fickle, as are volcanoes, tsunamis and collapsing runways.

I wasn't thinking of trusting to a body in an Ottawa cubicle. I was thinking of making the pilot's job easier.

 

[Kirkhill]

I flew that route many times, often with Nick Sias.

Grumman Goose on the Aleutian Islands

It wasn't my fault - an unusual Alaska accident : Air Facts Journal

A loud BANG, followed by a serious rocking of his rig, told the driver that something was now amiss. His truck had lurched to the right, just in time for the driver to witness the landing airplane slam into the left side of his truck. Aw, horse feathers!

airfactsjournal.com

And I might as well have written this.

It's all About the Fish! Stranded in Akutan, Alaska!

...or How I was Bumped Off a Flight for Fish! Akutan, Alaska 1996. The pilot introduced himself to us as Nick Sias, aka. Cowboy.

www.reflectionsenroute.com

I once chartered Nick. 500 bucks for a 10 minute hop to deliver a 15 dollar part that I'd had Gold Expressed from Seattle via Anchorage and Dutch. Because pollock season....

And radials were better than Pratt and Whitneys.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Flying in the North is an excellent way to get white hair. Flying 20' above the highway in a helicopters, because the cloud cover has socked in the only airfield anywhere. In Darby channel we also collided with a floatplane doing similar, scuttling under the cloud cover, trying to avoid hitting an island or trees.

 

[ytz]

That is interesting, because I cannot think of a better aircraft for rough field operations, up north.

Open to hearing about COAs.

At one point, there was discussion of FWSAR on skis up there. Again, really depends on what the job is. The Twotter kinda fell in to the role. And we all have recency bias. Need to go back and really look at the job. And see if how we do it makes sense.

 

[ytz]

This clearly has everything to do with creating jobs lol.

It does. And it works out for the CAF that we're getting a fleet that is 50% larger and much, much more capable.

No PM should ever be asked to close trade deals and be considered a serious statesman without their very own “Nuage chaise” in which to lie back and skilfully contemplate their next powerhouse move.

Aside from the fact that the CAF doesn't usually get standard layouts on these aircraft, I will never understand hits like this. Same mindset that has 27 Sussex falling apart.

Also, people routinely forget how much the rest of the CAF uses this fleet. And that usage will only go up with a fleet that is 50% larger, aircraft that are 50% larger and have 50% more range.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

At one point, there was discussion of FWSAR on skis up there. Again, really depends on what the job is. The Twotter kinda fell in to the role. And we all have recency bias. Need to go back and really look at the job. And see if how we do it makes sense.

I hear you about recency bias. On the one hand, the arctic is really big, so having something bigger and faster than a Twin Otter would be nice.

On the other hand, there are very few aircraft that have the same rough field performance and the ability to operate with such a low logistical tail in such a harsh environment.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

It does. And it works out for the CAF that we're getting a fleet that is 50% larger and much, much more capable.



Aside from the fact that the CAF doesn't usually get standard layouts on these aircraft, I will never understand hits like this. Same mindset that has 27 Sussex falling apart.

Also, people routinely forget how much the rest of the CAF uses this fleet. And that usage will only go up with a fleet that is 50% larger, aircraft that are 50% larger and have 50% more range.

It probably costs more to have the nuage chaise removed. So, naturally, we will.

 

[dapaterson]

A friend once worked on the CC150 fleet. Not a fan of politicians. And he was ashamed that our national leadership were travelling in something that, rather than being a flying Taj Mahal, was a clapped out old 1990s Winnebago without the sex appeal.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

A friend once worked on the CC150 fleet. Not a fan of politicians. And he was ashamed that our national leadership were travelling in something that, rather than being a flying Taj Mahal, was a clapped out old 1990s Winnebago without the sex appeal.

Agreed. The aircraft interior does not have to be gold plated, but is it too much to ask that it be clean, functional and modern?

 

[childs56]

And radials were better than Pratt and WhWhitneys.

You know they make radials.
Specifically the R-985 Wasp in the Beaver.