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Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

By itself, no it wouldn't.

In my opinion what needs to happen is first of all a change in the terms of service respecting primary reserve service. I would propose three classes of service "M - mandatory, V - voluntary and C - operational"

Mandatory would be limited by regulation to the completion of DP1 training of two two-month summers (July and August) and a winter session of 10 x 2.5 day weekends (Fri evening to Sunday evening) from September to June. Once DP 1 is completed Class M training is limited to the ten weekends and a 16.5 day summer exercise in August (again Friday evening to Sunday evening) for 41.5 days annually for unit collective training. Schedules for that would need to be posted a year in advance so that proper arrangements with one's employer and family can be made. Units would not be allowed to increase Class M training beyond 41.5 days nor deviate from the schedule. This would be fully funded. Additional voluntary training would also be available for other courses and duties for those who want it.

Individuals would enroll for a set period of years - sufficient to complete DP1 training as well as a minimum of two or three years of obligatory service to pay the government back for the money and effort spent on their training. Thereafter re-enlistment bonuses would be offered for additional terms of obligatory service. No voluntary release is available during this time frame.

S 294 would be removed and s 60(1)(c) would be changed so that any period of Class M training is subject to the CSD so that missing it is subject to a charge under s 90(1) AWOL, in the case of major or multiple or repeat occurrences or as a service infraction under QR&O 120.03(f)

Have I thought about what this would do to recruiting - sure I have but I'd rather have 15,000 trained Class As in 30 useable battalions than a 30,000 person rabble in 135 useless ones. IMHO, recruiting would not be negatively affected if properly sold with full summer employment as well as education benefits to draw in students in high school and on the verge of college or university. These folks want help with their education and at the rates of pay available now would do very well if guaranteed full summer employment with minimal commitment during the school year.

There's a lot more to it in my book "Unsustainable at Any Price" but don't go out and buy it. I'm currently doing a major revision to it as the 3rd edition which should be out in about a month or so.

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I was thinking about this too, and in a perfect world, where everyone were competent, this would work great. In the reserves, you'd get a whole lot of people getting sent to Club ED for no reason.

They should bring back the CFAT. Now the only bar of entry is a grade 10. I know people who passed grade 10 who are literally illiterate. That would be the first step to raise the quality of soldiers. Also, the interview is something that can be failed. If you should up to your interview in sweatpants and a wife-beater, how are we gonna expect you to do section attacks, you can't even get dressed!!!
 
And that attitude pervades the higher ups way of thinking and that's why the army reserve has never amounted to anything since the 1950s and never will.
The problem is your expecting full time commitment from part time workers.

Many civilian employers are not flexible. I fight with my company just to take my son to sick kids let alone trying to convince them to give me a ton of weekends and specific time periods off. If it was mandatory for them they just wouldn’t hire Reservists.

Obviously since the Reserves is a part time gig they need a full time (or at least somewhat decent part time) paycheque to survive unless we decide to pay them enough to make it so their alternate job isn’t needed.

There also needs to be a voluntary off ramp for them due to life’s commitments. Maybe make post service sup res for a specific length of time a thing but forcing 100% commitment for set length of time for a part time job that is all over the place is a non-starter for anyone who has reading comprehension. And those who failed to realize it will not be happy when they do and it starts to mess with their lives.

Generally I like the idea of a mandatory yearly commitment. Just when you’re no longer able to meet the commitment you need to be able to release.

As an employer I don't buy this- two weeks extra weeks off and 10 short Fridays - all unpaid- is not that a crazy ask and wouldn't be a barrier to employing someone good- provided they're mature about how the approach their paid time off/ attendance otherwise.

Hell- between increased hold out/ quarantine protocols at daycares, snow days, and the increased demands of competitive youth sports it doesn't seem like a crazy ask at all
Really depends on the employer. I have had employers who would be just fine with it. I have had some that would simply refuse. Many don’t work just Monday to Friday.

At the end of the day you go where the money is because thats how you survive. Mandatory inescapable service is forcing people to choose between jail and survival.
 
At least 2½ tons. That's the lowest Mercedes offers the Zetros. It's considerably larger than the LSVW.

They also have a 6x6 version that is perfect for the MSVS role.

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And obviously we need more than 1,500. Maybe add a zero to the end.
2.5T jesus thats not much are they not putting a 13.5 T axle on the thing? I know youre only running singles but still
 
The problem is your expecting full time commitment from part time workers.

Many civilian employers are not flexible. I fight with my company just to take my son to sick kids let alone trying to convince them to give me a ton of weekends and specific time periods off. If it was mandatory for them they just wouldn’t hire Reservists.

Obviously since the Reserves is a part time gig they need a full time (or at least somewhat decent part time) paycheque to survive unless we decide to pay them enough to make it so their alternate job isn’t needed.

There also needs to be a voluntary off ramp for them due to life’s commitments. Maybe make post service sup res for a specific length of time a thing but forcing 100% commitment for set length of time for a part time job that is all over the place is a non-starter for anyone who has reading comprehension. And those who failed to realize it will not be happy when they do and it starts to mess with their lives.

Generally I like the idea of a mandatory yearly commitment. Just when you’re no longer able to meet the commitment you need to be able to release.


Really depends on the employer. I have had employers who would be just fine with it. I have had some that would simply refuse. Many don’t work just Monday to Friday.

At the end of the day you go where the money is because thats how you survive. Mandatory inescapable service is forcing people to choose between jail and survival.
We stopped hiring hunters because we had too many guys wanting to take time off in the busiest time of the year lol
Its not an easy thing to manage
 
Really depends on the employer. I have had employers who would be just fine with it. I have had some that would simply refuse. Many don’t work just Monday to Friday.
That's fair, but your words were: "would likely kill any full time job opportunities" which is objectively different than potentially limiting the topline list of fulltime job opportunities by ruling out the relative few that are structurally incompatible (Seasonality and weekend heavy) and those run by inflexible assholes.
 
If you write Reservist job protection legislation, you need to add some carrots and not just sticks. Perhaps some tax benefits if they hire a reservist and give them time off. Along with PR acknowledging companies publicly that support the Reservists that work for them?
 
However- I see the higher intensity onboarding as laid out as problematic simply because a sequence of 2 consecutive 2 months summers is not a natural fit into someone's life other than after G11 and G12.
I'm looking at the months of May to August inclussive as the period during which individual training for reservists takes place. And yes, I'm factoring in summer leave and APS and equipment maintenance for the regular force (whose training cycles run September to April inclusive - remember I'm talking hybrid/total force units).

The two months (July and August) apply only to reservists who are high school students and only have those two months free. The two summers is based on 5 x 25training day (or one month) blocks (50 days first summer; 25 days over the Fall/Winter/Spring; 50 days the second summer) IMHO those 125 training days should be enough for the vast majority of trades to turn out a fully trained DP1 qualified soldier. Some might take less time and could move on to DP2 courses - others might take longer.

What about increasing the initial training outlay to 8 months. Stream 1 is a contiguous block starting in July, Stream 2 is 2x 4 month blocks starting in May. Stream 1 targets highschool graduates and anyone else that is currently unemployed and can handle the 8 month shot, Stream 2 targets those in post secondary in their 2nd to last year of planned study.

Edit- the 8 month was intended to result in a higher trained output- but if that juice isn't worth logistical squeeze of running different streams then just go to 4 months July start.
For folks who are not high school students and with time available, or university students with 3 - 4 months off, more training could be taken. What I could see as well is that many regular force serials should also start in July as high school students graduate - and then carry on straight through into September and thereafter until the training is done. I see no reason why reservists couldn't go on that stream as well.

My whole point is that students - high school or university - ought to be the bread and butter of army recruiting. We need to maximize the summer training for them so that they get the cash they expect out of summer employment. Other things can be gafted on to that.
I was thinking about this too, and in a perfect world, where everyone were competent, this would work great. In the reserves, you'd get a whole lot of people getting sent to Club ED for no reason.

They should bring back the CFAT. Now the only bar of entry is a grade 10. I know people who passed grade 10 who are literally illiterate. That would be the first step to raise the quality of soldiers. Also, the interview is something that can be failed. If you should up to your interview in sweatpants and a wife-beater, how are we gonna expect you to do section attacks, you can't even get dressed!!!
I'm not sure what all is involved in enrolling a reservist. IMHO, a medical is mandatory, an aptitude test that is easy to administer is nice but not essential. In my mind what matters is the evaluation of the candidate as they're doing initial training. We should make it easy during the initial phases to reclassify and individual or even cease their training.
The problem is your expecting full time commitment from part time workers.
No I'm not. I'm expecting part time commitment for part time employment. What I don't want is haphazard commitment.
Many civilian employers are not flexible. I fight with my company just to take my son to sick kids let alone trying to convince them to give me a ton of weekends and specific time periods off. If it was mandatory for them they just wouldn’t hire Reservists.
You need a new employer. The commitment I want is on weekends for the 23/24ths of the year. That's their own time for most people. Folks who have to work weekends and can't make an arrangement with their employer we don't want.
Obviously since the Reserves is a part time gig they need a full time (or at least somewhat decent part time) paycheque to survive unless we decide to pay them enough to make it so their alternate job isn’t needed.
They're getting a decent part-time paycheque now.
There also needs to be a voluntary off ramp for them due to life’s commitments.
The off ramp comes with the terms of service. You sign up for a fixed number of years. Initially, enough to compensate the government for the time and effort and money spent on the training. I'm flexible - for most that would be two or three full September to August collective training cycles with their unit.
Maybe make post service sup res for a specific length of time a thing but forcing 100% commitment for set length of time for a part time job that is all over the place is a non-starter for anyone who has reading comprehension. And those who failed to realize it will not be happy when they do and it starts to mess with their lives.
Sometimes one just needs to grow up and commit oneself to something one started and not bail at the first moment.
Generally I like the idea of a mandatory yearly commitment. Just when you’re no longer able to meet the commitment you need to be able to release.
I see the average reservist passing through two major phases in life - when young and single and going to school with fairly large breaks in the summer - and when older with a wife and young kids with a real conflict on how to spend your time. I want to hammer the training up front as much as possible so that later in life they can coast a bit.

I really dislike the concept of the "indefinite engagement" or whatever its called these days. I would see flexible options for re-engagement. anything from one year to five years with commensurate re-enlistment bonuses (not big ones but fair ones)

Step one would be for the Army to commit to training dates a year out, to permit soldiers to plan.

Commitment goes both ways.
Exactly.

What is needed though is what I call a "social covenant" between DND and the reservist which ensures that they aren't jerked around by the CoC. It must respect the individual's competing interest with employers and family. That's why in my plan there is no mandatory individual training after DP1, just 41.5 days of collective training with the unit. And after DP1, there is no mandatory training in July and part of August so that vacations can be planned. That's why all dates for unit collective training weekends and the summer concentration are published a year in advance so that people can plan their life. That's why the CoC can't change published training dates. That's why there needs to be legislation that not only provides for job protection for "military training" and leave from employers that does not affect their other statutory or other vacation rights and protects seniority and insurance and a myriad of other things associated with reserve service.

Let me simply say that I would never impose a "mandatory training" regime unless all the other building blocks to support it are in place. BUT. I think mandatory training is essential for the health and growth of the reserve force. If it means 25% of the folks who would join won't agree to that - well, I can live without them.

And then not change the dates at the last minute...
See above.

If you write Reservist job protection legislation, you need to add some carrots and not just sticks. Perhaps some tax benefits if they hire a reservist and give them time off. Along with PR acknowledging companies publicly that support the Reservists that work for them?
Absolutely. The various provinces job protection legislation sucks. I know much of it is similar from province to province so there was obviously a program ongoing to get them to agree to some basics, but IMHO I think that a fairly wide reaching legislation can be done by the Feds without needing provincial cooperation. The Feds have constitutional jurisdiction over peace order and good government Militia, Military and Naval Service, and Defence. The words "service" really opens up the scope of the legislation, IMHO. It's being used very narrowly by the usual hand-wringing, risk averse folks within DND but much more can be done with it. It's not that hard to write carrots and sticks into it. The US "Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act" is just a starting point.

I truly think that we are at an "Inflection Point" brought on by the World's situation. I think the government is ready to go along with quite a few things. Unfortunately the way the army is reorganizing itself makes me think that from a reserve force point of view - a big opportunity is being missed.

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@FJAG You need a grade 10, medical, and a FORCE test.
The CFAT has been dropped. The problem is that now you get people who would have failed the CFAT for cook, infantry, and other low scoring trades. To be blunt, these people are stupid, and it's no fun having people who can't read try to figure out how to NAV, or conduct a section attack, when they don't even know their address.

I've met multiple people in reserves who have a learning disability and seem to not know how to do anything — not that they're having a hard time, the type of people that mess up so bad they need to get special treatment so the course doesn't get shitted on for the entirety of the BMQ/DP1. I don't wanna be rude, but esp. in combat arms, you gotta be quick on your feet, and learn quick, and all that
 
@FJAG You need a grade 10, medical, and a FORCE test.
The CFAT has been dropped. The problem is that now you get people who would have failed the CFAT for cook, infantry, and other low scoring trades. To be blunt, these people are stupid, and it's no fun having people who can't read try to figure out how to NAV, or conduct a section attack, when they don't even know their address.

I've met multiple people in reserves who have a learning disability and seem to not know how to do anything — not that they're having a hard time, the type of people that mess up so bad they need to get special treatment so the course doesn't get shitted on for the entirety of the BMQ/DP1. I don't wanna be rude, but esp. in combat arms, you gotta be quick on your feet, and learn quick, and all that
I run a reserve infantry PAT platoon and while this is generally accurate we are finding that "those troops" are being weeded out by our Tuesday parade routine and BMQ. There's only a small handful of "those troops" who've made it through to the fighting company and once there they're at least competent enough to not be a drain on section leadership and we're happy enough having them be corporals for life.
 
I'm looking at the months of May to August inclussive as the period during which individual training for reservists takes place. And yes, I'm factoring in summer leave and APS and equipment maintenance for the regular force (whose training cycles run September to April inclusive - remember I'm talking hybrid/total force units).

The two months (July and August) apply only to reservists who are high school students and only have those two months free. The two summers is based on 5 x 25training day (or one month) blocks (50 days first summer; 25 days over the Fall/Winter/Spring; 50 days the second summer) IMHO those 125 training days should be enough for the vast majority of trades to turn out a fully trained DP1 qualified soldier. Some might take less time and could move on to DP2 courses - others might take longer.


For folks who are not high school students and with time available, or university students with 3 - 4 months off, more training could be taken. What I could see as well is that many regular force serials should also start in July as high school students graduate - and then carry on straight through into September and thereafter until the training is done. I see no reason why reservists couldn't go on that stream as well.
I get what you're saying and trying to accomplish, and agree with the aim - but I think , that the 2month->10 weekend->2month structure is a significant barrier to it and the juice just isn't worth to squeeze to try and extract value from 1 extra grade 11 summer. Signing up kids during their grade 11 year and getting them to commit to not just a summer job -but 2 full summer jobs, weekends in between and an enduring multi-year commitment beyond that. That's a big, door closing ask that introduces significant friction to their lives
My whole point is that students - high school or university - ought to be the bread and butter of army recruiting. We need to maximize the summer training for them so that they get the cash they expect out of summer employment. Other things can be gafted on to that.
Agree with the premise- not the execution. To me they're are fundamentally different pools facing fundamentally different life decisions, with fundamentally different constraints/pain points.

A highschool grad that is not attending post secondary doesn't need a summer job, they just need a job. Take advantage of the inflection point, get them trained and into the system with a minimum of added complexity to their lives. Perfect intake into your hybrid reserve system

A HS grad attending Post secondary needs a 2 month summer job followed by 1-3 4 month summer jobs, and they may or may not be interested in committing weekends during "On term" months. Potentially messier since they should be at DP1 after 2+4 (end of summer 2) and still have a couple of summers that they will want full employed - not fitting cleanly into the 16.5 + 10x2.5 model.
 
@FJAG You need a grade 10, medical, and a FORCE test.
The CFAT has been dropped. The problem is that now you get people who would have failed the CFAT for cook, infantry, and other low scoring trades. To be blunt, these people are stupid, and it's no fun having people who can't read try to figure out how to NAV, or conduct a section attack, when they don't even know their address.

I've met multiple people in reserves who have a learning disability and seem to not know how to do anything — not that they're having a hard time, the type of people that mess up so bad they need to get special treatment so the course doesn't get shitted on for the entirety of the BMQ/DP1. I don't wanna be rude, but esp. in combat arms, you gotta be quick on your feet, and learn quick, and all that
I don't disagree at all. Military life is the hallmark of teamwork and you need people that you can count on.

I joined with a grade ten education as a gunner at a time when you could become a regular force OCTP officer candidate with a grade eleven in every province except Ontario where you needed grade 12. (Go figure - I guess we were all slow learners)

We had no CFAT for NCMs and we still had some good folks turned out although only about a dozen of the fifty some odd folks I took SSEP training with in the summer ended up coming back in September. That's a hell of a cull and wasted $.

I do recall taking a CFAT-like process when I transferred to OCTP a few years later. By then I was in Grade 13. Only a handful had started university. We still managed to turn out some decent folks but did weed out people along the way. About half of the two OCTP platoons (roughly seventy or so of us) that went through CFOCS Venture, as the last two platoons there, had a wastage rate of roughly 50% notwithstanding the CFAT.

I run a reserve infantry PAT platoon and while this is generally accurate we are finding that "those troops" are being weeded out by our Tuesday parade routine and BMQ. There's only a small handful of "those troops" who've made it through to the fighting company and once there they're at least competent enough to not be a drain on section leadership and we're happy enough having them be corporals for life.

Sometimes the "not so bright" will surprise you with their dogged determination to succeed. I'm not against CFATs. I just think it takes more than a paper test to determine a person's worth.

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I get what you're saying and trying to accomplish, and agree with the aim - but I think , that the 2month->10 weekend->2month structure is a significant barrier to it and the juice just isn't worth to squeeze to try and extract value from 1 extra grade 11 summer. Signing up kids during their grade 11 year and getting them to commit to not just a summer job -but 2 full summer jobs, weekends in between and an enduring multi-year commitment beyond that. That's a big, door closing ask that introduces significant friction to their lives
Okay. What's your solution for a part timer? One two-month summer certainly isn't enough to create a DP1 of anything - it barely covers BMQ (which IMHO is too long and would be better spent in a pure-army basic course.)

The only other option is to let them test the water for a summer and take home $12,556.80 of the King's money ($209.28 x 60 days) and give back nothing. At what point are they smart enough to understand what a 38-month contract and its commensurate commitments means?
Agree with the premise- not the execution. To me they're are fundamentally different pools facing fundamentally different life decisions, with fundamentally different constraints/pain points.

A highschool grad that is not attending post secondary doesn't need a summer job, they just need a job. Take advantage of the inflection point, get them trained and into the system with a minimum of added complexity to their lives. Perfect intake into your hybrid reserve system

A HS grad attending Post secondary needs a 2 month summer job followed by 1-3 4 month summer jobs, and they may or may not be interested in committing weekends during "On term" months. Potentially messier since they should be at DP1 after 2+4 (end of summer 2) and still have a couple of summers that they will want full employed - not fitting cleanly into the 16.5 + 10x2.5 model.
If you make it attractive enough, they will all come. Full summer employment is a start. We hadn't gotten into the depth of this before, but I'm also a great fan of providing education benefits to both NCMs and officer candidates in both community colleges and universities. Both would get all tuition and associated fees and expenses (but not room or board) paid. They'd also get paid reserve force pay for the mandatory training weekends and summer periods throughout their certificate or degree program. They pay back with their 41.5 days of mandatory service after that just like any other obligatory service situation.

I'm not trying to be difficult here. I appreciate that different folks have different wants in life, but to me its simple, - take the King's shilling and pay it back with service to the nation. The bottom line is that the reserve force can currently only deliver small amounts of trained individuals for augmentation (Oh yeah and hordes of Class Bs). Even putting formed platoon together is a major effort. The standard should be deployable hybrid brigades being able to be mobilized on a tiered readiness basis with a majority of the manpower being reservists. If you can't get to that point then why bothering having a reserve at all?

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The LVM picks are good for MLVW and HLVW replacements, but we'll still need an MSVS replacement in the 5 to 8 ton range. The Unimog would be great to replace the LSVW.
The MSVS was the MLVW replacement.
 
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