Canada moves to 2% GDP end of FY25/26 - PMMC

[Czech_pivo]

Break down from CMP, over all good but now the training bottle neck will get really ugly.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2046303447301947418

Are there any plans to move the 71,50 back in to the low-mid 80's?

 

[dapaterson]

Are there any plans to move the 71,50 back in to the low-mid 80's?

That's a GoC decision, not a CAF decision.

 

[brihard]

That's a GoC decision, not a CAF decision.

 

[WestIsle]

Are reserve units still shooting for that 30 day enrollment window?

Sometimes possible from my brief experience but medicals are a huge bottleneck due to Health Services Group critically undermining/undermaning their side of the fence. 45-60 days for most reserve recruiting detachments seems more reasonable given often slow responses for info and missing documents. That doesnt obviously apply to people who dont respond to their application, miss appointments, or have security or medical issues.

CFRC though is a mess as stated before. Its a dumping ground for the CAF often. Like training centres, wing security forces, and RSS staff the CAF loves to operate on "for want of a nail"

 

[Czech_pivo]

That's a GoC decision, not a CAF decision.

Understood. Are you aware of any plans or discussions to move beyond 71,500? Not sure how 71,500 will cover all aspects of what's planned or in the works.

 

[dapaterson]

Understood. Are you aware of any plans or discussions to move beyond 71,500? Not sure how 71,500 will cover all aspects of what's planned or in the works.

The CAF often has discussions internally, which can translate to advice to government.

Advice to government is protected by Cabinet Confidence, and probably would be inappropriate for this site .

That kind of security violation is more of a Reddit thing.

 

[Eaglelord17]

The tents are used for basic training, and for courses of that sort of duration a big room with rows of beds works.

The green sector in St-Jean is essentially a big room with bathrooms and laundry in the middle, and beds around the edges.

For anything past basic it is an issue of retention for courses that are longer in duration, and/or require more academic work/study.

Until the 70's people were accustomed to living with siblings in a shared space. That hasn't been the norm for 50+ years now, as families have shrunk and house sizes have grown.

Old school accomidations are excellent for training. I enjoyed my time in Nelles block and appreciated it more than the modern set up in Borden. The large communal bathrooms have the advantage of not requiring you to clean them (janitors do it) which is awesome for inspection. The more modern rooms just mean more work for you to upkeep well still only doing the same thing as the old school accommodations (i.e. place to sleep, shower, and hangout).

 

[MilEME09]

Are there any plans to move the 71,50 back in to the low-mid 80's?

mid 80s? try mid 120s, they are going full steam ahead with the plan for a 100k+ Reg 100k+ reserve. However the CDS stated they will not seek the GoC increasing our authorized strength until they closed the current gap. which will take a few years still, this gives time to create the needed instructors to assist expanding the CAF to over 200k reg and reserve by 2040

 

[PuckChaser]

Those instructors are 8 years away for a competent MCpl and 12+ for a Sergeant. We're bleeding those ranks by filling up with Ptes and promoting them to Cpl faster.

 

[MilEME09]

Those instructors are 8 years away for a competent MCpl and 12+ for a Sergeant. We're bleeding those ranks by filling up with Ptes and promoting them to Cpl faster.

if you are a Cpl now, 90% chance you are a MCpl in 3 years, a new program has started as well in the reg force to identify those with stronger leadership potential early

 

[dapaterson]

if yo are a Cpl now, 90% chance you are a MCpl in 3 years, a new program has started as well in the reg force to identify those with stronger leadership potential early

There is nothing new under the sun; accelerated promotion and subsequent appointment to MCpl has been a thing since the 1980s (at least).

 

[MilEME09]

There is nothing new under the sun; accelerated promotion and subsequent appointment to MCpl has been a thing since the 1980s (at least).

my PLQ in 2018, id say about 1/3 of my course already had the appointment

 

[Czech_pivo]

The CAF often has discussions internally, which can translate to advice to government.

Advice to government is protected by Cabinet Confidence, and probably would be inappropriate for this site .

That kind of security violation is more of a Reddit thing.

Awesome! Thanks so much!

 

[Czech_pivo]

mid 80s? try mid 120s, they are going full steam ahead with the plan for a 100k+ Reg 100k+ reserve. However the CDS stated they will not seek the GoC increasing our authorized strength until they closed the current gap. which will take a few years still, this gives time to create the needed instructors to assist expanding the CAF to over 200k reg and reserve by 2040

Thanks for taking the time to provide a ballpark answer.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

mid 80s? try mid 120s, they are going full steam ahead with the plan for a 100k+ Reg 100k+ reserve. However the CDS stated they will not seek the GoC increasing our authorized strength until they closed the current gap. which will take a few years still, this gives time to create the needed instructors to assist expanding the CAF to over 200k reg and reserve by 2040

They should ask now and then use that authority to start the infrastructure planning and construction. Boring stuff like, sewage, water, electricity all needs to be extended/upgraded and/or replaced. Then accommodations and training infrastructure.

For training senior leaders, I wonder if someone can develop a training package package that contains elements that are common to all/most NATO armies and there could be ex-military types from any NATO country that can come in and teach that package to young leaders. The parent army can teach the specific to them stuff in another course. Might be a way to deal with the senior leadership shortage that all western armies are facing? A similar thing could be done with navies and air forces.

 

[MilEME09]

They should ask now and then use that authority to start the infrastructure planning and construction. Boring stuff like, sewage, water, electricity all needs to be extended/upgraded and/or replaced.

Infrastructure can be built without the increase. But if you authorize the incease to early, you create hollow organizations that will be operationally ineffective. We need to do this slow and methodically

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Infrastructure can be built without the increase. But if you authorize the incease to early, you create hollow organizations that will be operationally ineffective. We need to do this slow and methodically

You could stagger the increase by year or perhaps by actual manning level up to a set amount. I think having a higher number authorized but a plan to grow at a sustainable pace might give the CAF and the government a realistic view on what is going to be needed and when. I get the current caution, but if you ask for another 9.000 in 5 years, you then need to start the planning then.

 

[Cloud Cover]

That's a GoC decision, not a CAF decision.

Well, the CAF has metrics to deliver on first.

• stop the bleed of those who can train
• train past BMQ, in fact develop the forces well and way past BMQ
• properly house, support and supply what and who they have now
• equip what we have now
• demonstrate that’s all been properly done in good working order.

I’d argue no larger force unless and until they can accomplish those very basic items. Good luck, BTW.

 

[McG]

, the CAF has metrics to deliver on first.

An organization of 67.8k + 25k people should be able to walk and think about plans for tomorrow at the same time.

 

[Furniture]

Old school accomidations are excellent for training. I enjoyed my time in Nelles block and appreciated it more than the modern set up in Borden. The large communal bathrooms have the advantage of not requiring you to clean them (janitors do it) which is awesome for inspection. The more modern rooms just mean more work for you to upkeep well still only doing the same thing as the old school accommodations (i.e. place to sleep, shower, and hangout).

Youre the first person Ive heard from who held that opinion, so I'll work from the assumption that its a minority opinion.

Every other person that I have spoken with prefers a private room when studying, working on homework, and relaxing the weekends. Remember, most of the new people aren't plastered from noon Friday through Monday morning anymore...