Canada's tanks

[KevinB]

And when islanding fighting, you dont need super long range either

How long can it tread water...

 

[Kirkhill]

Meanwhile, back to the Booker.....

Army halts use of Ajax fighting vehicles after 31 soldiers fall ill

Members of two regiments suffered health problems after taking part in a war game in the troubled armoured vehicles, which were declared safe this month

www.thetimes.com

I'm guessing GDLS Canada is glad for that link up with BAE for the BvS10 Beowulf?
Doesn't BAE also distribute Hagglunds other product? The CV 90?

 

[Kirkhill]

On the other hand, on the wheeled 8x8 front, 500 Boxers a year.

Rheinmetall Plans to Produce over 500 Boxer Armored Personnel Carriers per Year - Militarnyi

The German defense conglomerate Rheinmetall has announced ambitious plans to significantly increase the production of Boxer armored personnel carriers at its plant in Kassel

militarnyi.com

 

[Kirkhill]

Rheinmetall Explains How It Will Meet Demand for Thousands of Boxer and Lynx Vehicles While Capacity Isn't Enough | Defense Express

Between 3,000 and 6,000 Boxer armoured fighting vehicles are to be ordered for Germany alone, while the potential order for Rheinmetall's Lynx infantry fighting vehicles is estimated at 6,000

en.defence-ua.com

 

[dapaterson]

How long can it tread water...

Let it rain for 40 days and 40 nights.

 

[Maxman1]

Let it rain for 40 days and 40 nights.

"In Ireland, we call that dah feckin' summer!"

 

[GR66]

These might be more in our budget, but unfortunately they're another US product...

U.S. Army uses plywood tanks in Hawaii

The United States Army confirmed in an official release that it deployed "wooden tanks" during the Joint Pacific Multinational Readiness Center (JPMRC) Rotation 26-01 at Schofield Barracks, Hawaii, on Nov. 6, 2025. The service referred to these systems as an

defence-blog.com

 

[KevinB]

"In Ireland, we call that dah feckin' summer!"

Too young for Cosby?

 

[Kirkhill]

Meanwhile, back to the Booker.....

Army halts use of Ajax fighting vehicles after 31 soldiers fall ill

Members of two regiments suffered health problems after taking part in a war game in the troubled armoured vehicles, which were declared safe this month

www.thetimes.com

I'm guessing GDLS Canada is glad for that link up with BAE for the BvS10 Beowulf?
Doesn't BAE also distribute Hagglunds other product? The CV 90?

This is what the Ajax family is supposed to have replaced.

KISS.

 

[KevinB]

Meanwhile, back to the Booker.....

Army halts use of Ajax fighting vehicles after 31 soldiers fall ill

Members of two regiments suffered health problems after taking part in a war game in the troubled armoured vehicles, which were declared safe this month

www.thetimes.com

I'm guessing GDLS Canada is glad for that link up with BAE for the BvS10 Beowulf?
Doesn't BAE also distribute Hagglunds other product? The CV 90?

BAE owns Hagglunds, and has for quite some time. As well as absorbing Alvis Vickers (those two had merged prior, United Defense Industries, and the gun side of Bofors (Saab bought the parent and spun off the guns while keeping the missiles).

Realistically there are 3 main NATO ground vehicle producers - BAE, GDLS, and Rheinmetall.

 

[Underway]

BAE owns Hagglunds, and has for quite some time. As well as absorbing Alvis Vickers (those two had merged prior, United Defense Industries, and the gun side of Bofors (Saab bought the parent and spun off the guns while keeping the missiles).

Realistically there are 3 main NATO ground vehicle producers - BAE, GDLS, and Rheinmetall.

KNDS is huge.

Main Battle Tanks (MBTs)

• Leopard 1 and 2: Widely used main battle tanks with various upgrade versions (e.g., Leopard 2 A7).
• Leclerc: The main battle tank of the French Army, which is part of the SCORPION program.
• Leopard 2 A-RC 3.0 and Leclerc Evolution: Next-generation MBT concepts currently under development.

Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFVs) and Armored Personnel Carriers (APCs)

• Puma: A modern infantry fighting vehicle for the German Army.
• • VBCI (Véhicule blindé de combat d'infanterie): A wheeled armored infantry fighting vehicle used by the French military, including the MkII variant.
  • Boxer: A highly protected, modular 8x8 wheeled armored vehicle manufactured in a joint venture (ARTEC GmbH) with Rheinmetall, available in multiple variants including ambulance, command post, and infantry carrier.
  • Griffon (VBMR): A multi-purpose armored vehicle developed as part of the French SCORPION program with partners Arquus and Thales.
  • Serval (VBMR-L): A light multi-role armored vehicle, also part of the SCORPION program.
  • VAB (Véhicule de l'Avant Blindé): An older, widely used French armored personnel carrier.

Artillery and Air Defense Systems

• PzH 2000 (Panzerhaubitze 2000): A highly effective German self-propelled howitzer.
• CAESAR: A 155 mm wheeled self-propelled howitzer system.
• Gepard: A self-propelled anti-aircraft artillery system.
• RCH 155: A remote-controlled wheeled howitzer system.
• GCT 155mm: A legacy self-propelled gun system.

Reconnaissance and Support Vehicles

• Fennek: An armored 4x4 reconnaissance vehicle.
• Dingo: A family of heavily armored, mine-protected infantry mobility vehicles (DINGO 1, 2, and 3 models).
• Jaguar (EBRC): A 6x6 armored reconnaissance and combat vehicle for the French Army SCORPION program.
• Mungo: An air-transportable, protected transport vehicle.
• Aravis: A mine-resistant ambush-protected (MRAP) vehicle.
• Leguan: An armored bridge-laying system, often based on the Leopard 2 chassis.

 

[Kirkhill]

BAE owns Hagglunds, and has for quite some time. As well as absorbing Alvis Vickers (those two had merged prior, United Defense Industries, and the gun side of Bofors (Saab bought the parent and spun off the guns while keeping the missiles).

Realistically there are 3 main NATO ground vehicle producers - BAE, GDLS, and Rheinmetall.

And BAE gets you Bradley or CV90 or BvS10.

 

[Kirkhill]

The Ukrainians seem to have found a role for a simple little tracked, armoured runabout.

Not for engaging the enemy but to move rapidly unnoticed .... according to the Spartsn link I posted.

 

[KevinB]

KNDS is huge.

Main Battle Tanks (MBTs)

• Leopard 1 and 2: Widely used main battle tanks with various upgrade versions (e.g., Leopard 2 A7).
• Leclerc: The main battle tank of the French Army, which is part of the SCORPION program.
• Leopard 2 A-RC 3.0 and Leclerc Evolution: Next-generation MBT concepts currently under development.

Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFVs) and Armored Personnel Carriers (APCs)

• Puma: A modern infantry fighting vehicle for the German Army.
• • VBCI (Véhicule blindé de combat d'infanterie): A wheeled armored infantry fighting vehicle used by the French military, including the MkII variant.
  • Boxer: A highly protected, modular 8x8 wheeled armored vehicle manufactured in a joint venture (ARTEC GmbH) with Rheinmetall, available in multiple variants including ambulance, command post, and infantry carrier.
  • Griffon (VBMR): A multi-purpose armored vehicle developed as part of the French SCORPION program with partners Arquus and Thales.
  • Serval (VBMR-L): A light multi-role armored vehicle, also part of the SCORPION program.
  • VAB (Véhicule de l'Avant Blindé): An older, widely used French armored personnel carrier.

Artillery and Air Defense Systems

• PzH 2000 (Panzerhaubitze 2000): A highly effective German self-propelled howitzer.
• CAESAR: A 155 mm wheeled self-propelled howitzer system.
• Gepard: A self-propelled anti-aircraft artillery system.
• RCH 155: A remote-controlled wheeled howitzer system.
• GCT 155mm: A legacy self-propelled gun system.

Reconnaissance and Support Vehicles

• Fennek: An armored 4x4 reconnaissance vehicle.
• Dingo: A family of heavily armored, mine-protected infantry mobility vehicles (DINGO 1, 2, and 3 models).
• Jaguar (EBRC): A 6x6 armored reconnaissance and combat vehicle for the French Army SCORPION program.
• Mungo: An air-transportable, protected transport vehicle.
• Aravis: A mine-resistant ambush-protected (MRAP) vehicle.
• Leguan: An armored bridge-laying system, often based on the Leopard 2 chassis.

Yes I keep forgetting them - probably intentionally . The KM merger with the French left me less excited for them.

 

[FJAG]

And BAE gets you Bradley or CV90 or BvS10.

And M109 and the AMPV series.

 

[MilEME09]

And M109 and the AMPV series.

AMPV would be a good fit, its essentially M113, and Bradley having a love child

 

[Kirkhill]

AMPV is 38 tonnes.
AJAX is 38 to 42 tonnes (the original ASCOD which doesn't shake people to pieces is 26 tonnes)
CV90 is 38 tonnes although the original was 20 tonnes
Bradley now exceeds 33 tonnes but started out at 23 tonnes.

....

Spartan is about 11 tonnes
TRACKX is about 13 to 18 tonnes
BvS10 is 7 to 12 tonnes

.....

I have long been a fan of the Bv series and still am but I am thinking that for the Continental Division/Force there might be a home for the TRACKX.

 

[suffolkowner]

AMPV is 38 tonnes.
AJAX is 38 to 42 tonnes (the original ASCOD which doesn't shake people to pieces is 26 tonnes)
CV90 is 38 tonnes although the original was 20 tonnes
Bradley now exceeds 33 tonnes but started out at 23 tonnes.

....

Spartan is about 11 tonnes
TRACKX is about 13 to 18 tonnes
BvS10 is 7 to 12 tonnes

.....

I have long been a fan of the Bv series and still am but I am thinking that for the Continental Division/Force there might be a home for the TRACKX.

Apparently ASCOD was not without problems itself

 

[Kirkhill]

Apparently ASCOD was not without problems itself

View attachment 96971

Fascinating. The vibrations predate the AJAX and Booker variants.