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Canadian Air Wing ready to patrol Afghanistan's skies

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan -- The Canadian Forces is expanding its presence in the skies over Afghanistan with
it's own air wing that will serve under the auspices of the NATO command.

Canada's battle group moved into southern Afghanistan in 2006 without any helicopters, unlike the British,
U.S., and Dutch forces. The lack of air assets forced the Canadians to rely heavily on road convoys which
has proven dangerous for troops because of improvised explosive devices and suicide bombers.

Brig.-Gen. Denis Thompson, the commander of Task Force Kandahar, said this is the airforce `equivalent
of committing a brigade' to overseas operations. The wing will have at its disposal six new civilian Mi-8
helicopters, used U.S. Chinooks to be delivered next year and unmanned surveillance aircraft.

The aircraft will be part of a NATO pool but the air wing will give Canada more leverage in the struggle for
the use of air assets.
 
If I recall they were supposed to be in service by summer, but the first flight with the Mi-8's was Nov 17th  I think. To bad the Griffions were not sent when we first moved to KAF
 
                So do we own these hips or are they loaned to us until we get the chinooks on line ?
 
benny88 said:
Where have I been when we've been flying HIPs?
karl28 said:
                So do we own these hips or are they loaned to us until we get the chinooks on line ?

Couple of threads already on this:

http://forums.milnet.ca/forums/threads/78508.0.html
 
SeaKingTacco  Beadwindow 7

        Thanks for the info sorry about the late response was busy with work
 
Colin P: Posts at The Torch with photos:
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2008/11/joint-task-force-afghanistan-air-wing.html
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2008/11/hip-hip-hooray.html

Though not of the up-rated Griffons.

Mark
Ottawa
 
What are the Griffons being armed with? C6 obviously any plans for rockets? Will they be used like the Banshee C/S?We used them a bit for convoy security very useful.
 
MikeH said:
What are the Griffons being armed with? C6 obviously

Initially. Hopefully not for long.

MikeH said:
any plans for rockets?

Highly unlikely.

MikeH said:
Will they be used like the Banshee C/S?

Not suitable for that role. Two big and clumsy, and cockpit visibility sucks in comparison.

The Banshee guys (B Troop, 2nd Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, Fort Campbell, Kentucky) swear that they don't have any job application forms. I asked.
 
Who's flying and maintaining the HIPS? All civies?

Curious cause I thought we didn't have civies in the theater itself...
 
Then why are they there then?Also thanks for (B Troop, 2nd Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, Fort Campbell, Kentucky) I got a bunch of patches from these guys when we did a meet and greet.I forgot what the numbers and letters meant thx for that.
 
Klinkaroo said:
Who's flying and maintaining the HIPS? All civies?

Already discussed a few times. See Beadwindow 7's post above for a start.


Klinkaroo said:
Curious cause I thought we didn't have civies in the theater itself...

There are lots, running all of the troop support activities such as Tim Horton's, SeaCan Store, travel office, Global Connect (call-home phone service and wireless internet), the two Canada Houses, etcetera and contractors (maintaining, launching, and recovering the Scan Eagle SUAV for one).
 
MikeH said:
Then why are they there then?

The Griffons?

They're not, yet.

Their role has also been discussed many times - principally as escort for the Chinooks.
 
Loachman said:
Already discussed a few times. See Beadwindow 7's post above for a start.


There are lots, running all of the troop support activities such as Tim Horton's, SeaCan Store, travel office, Global Connect (call-home phone service and wireless internet), the two Canada Houses, etcetera and contractors (maintaining, launching, and recovering the Scan Eagle SUAV for one).

Sorry completely overlooked the post previously linked.

I knew about Timmies and all that stuff but I meant like outside the wire kind of things...
 
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Help from above

New helicopters will save Canadian lives in Afghanistan

By JOE WARMINGTON



For those sick at heart seeing our brave soldiers travelling along the Highway of Heroes in hearses so routinely, you will be pleased to hear help is finally on the way.

Early in 2009 the troops in Afghanistan will finally have the ability to fly from checkpoint to base in newly purchased helicopters.

In fact the first test flight was Sunday -- with Gen. Walt Natynczyk, chief of defence, and Peter MacKay, our defence minister, on board.

"Today marks a monumental day," said Natyncyzk, as he stepped off the inaugural flight over the Kandahar region which also had on board parliamentary secretary of national defence Laurie Hawn and Canada Command Chief W/O Eric Christensen.

"The transportation capability provided by this helicopter is going to save lives by reducing the risk to our soldiers from IEDs (improvised explosive devices,") the general said.

And this new piece of equipment could not come at a better time.

In the month of December alone, nine Canadian soldiers have died as a result of these evil but clearly effective bombs laid near roadways and detonated from a nearby location.

Patrolling the region has become such a deadly task.

Of the 104 dead in Afghanistan, 54 have come as a result of an IED, a roadside bomb or landmine.

"They have found an easy way to kill them," Khaled Akbar, an administrator at the general consulate of Afghanistan in Toronto says of the Taliban. "It's horrible."

Unfortunately he's right. On both counts.

"They are not engaging Canadian soldiers into battle. They lure them out and then boom," said Akbar. "It's not fair."

These helicopters should help not only even things up but give the advantage back to the Canadians who have been frustrated by the level of murderous success the Taliban have had on them in the past three years.

A lot of this success, as Akbar said, has been by using this non-traditional warfare.

For years the Canadian military has complained that they had to travel down roads as they saw helicopters fly above with Dutch military on board -- helicopters Canada sold to them.

Needless to say it was not easy for them, or those who lead them, to see other military outfits flying overhead with your helicopters.

The brass and politicians shared the pain and were listening and this will change by February at the latest.

True, it will be too late for all of those who have already died. But it is a welcome step by troops on the ground who are looking for all the help the can get to defeat a sneaky, ruthless and murderous enemy.

It is believed as many as six Boeing CH-147 D Chinook medium to heavy-lift helicopters will be deployed to Afghanistan, as well as Heron Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV) and CH-146 Griffon helicopters to support them. "This is really a Canadian solution with the Griffons providing escort duties," said Natynczyk.

And MacKay commended all of those who have helped them "meet the February, 2009" deadline.

"The deployment of the Griffons in conjunction with the Chinooks displays our commitment to the men and women of the Canadian Forces while ensuring the security and effectiveness of the mission," he said.

The next step is to also ensure these helicopters are used for intelligence missions to help crush the Taliban members -- find out where they are and take out their bases and weapon-building lairs.

Helicopters should mean fewer trips along treacherous terrain on land but also make it safer to travel those roads since they will have an eye from the sky to tell them who is out there and where they may be hiding.

It's difficult to know if this will help reduce the number of troops killed in this way or what new methods the Taliban will introduce. We may find out this year.

While it is true there's an estimated $2 billion in cost to this new lifesaver, if it means one less hearse ride along the Highway of Heroes, you won't find many critics.

 
Hope these haven't been posyed yet, I can't seem to find the right thread. (Not my photo's, got them from another user on Mil photo's)
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