Canadian defence force (CDF)

[Ontario]

Our forces needs a huge reorganization. The current state is an embarrassment to the pre 1967 military. We need to bring back our tri service military but with an integrated command structure. We should organize it like the other countries who have there military organized into a defense force. New Zealand and Australia have there military like that, and they can operate properly and if New Nealand can afford to have a tri service military then we can DEFENATLY can(no offence). We need to bring back traditions, uniforms, ranks, etc.  Its not a waste of time and effort either. The current structure is a joke.

Vote then post if you want to.

 

[Timmy!]

I think you should give Uncle Rick a call then. I think he is in Ottawa now.


Regards,
TN2IC




Edit due to stupid keyboard is all funky on me tonight. Spelt my diet pepsi on it.

BTW... Can anymore type a question mark on army.ca forumsÉ    All I can get is this...ÉÉÉÉÉÉ

 

[Nfld Sapper]

I think you should give Uncle Rick a call then. I think he is on Ottawa now.


Regards,
TN2IC

Don't add fuel to the fire TN2IC

 

[armyvern]

After you get off the phone with him perhaps a call to all the political party leaders will be necessary.    NZ can afford it ... because their government chooses to give them the sufficient funding to afford it.

I think we've got more important matters to look after and fund in the meantime.

I've got no comment on the pre-1967 structure, as I wasn't born then, nor can I vouch for the ability of it, structurally, to be capable of dealing with the current world situation any better or to enhance the CFs current outstanding performance.

Can you elaborate somewhat as to why you believe it would better serve us post cold war?? Your experience with this??

 

[Franko]

It would be a waste of time and money....the deed was done a long time ago.

Unless you've been living under a rock for the past few years, we're concentrating on fighting now...not traditions, uniforms, ranks.

Besides, most units have retained some heritage if not most of it.

Regards

 

[midget-boyd91]

I can't agree with something when there is no arguement presented. From what I read out of your post, it seems like you're more concerned about traditions and uniforms rather than what the CF has the ability to do. I really don't believe that being called a Flight Lieutenant would make a person a better pilot than being called a Captain, or Lieutenant (or whichever the equivalent to FLt is in the new structure).
What soecific things are you looking to have reorganized?/why?

 

[Michael OLeary]

We need to bring back traditions, uniforms, ranks, etc.  Its not a waste of time and effort either. The current structure is a joke.

So, if we bring back the tradition of flogging, square rig uniforms, and "Midshipmen", then we can consider the Navy all fixed.  Well, I suppose that's less trouble than new ships.

 

[Timmy!]

So, if we bring back the tradition of flogging, square rig uniforms, and "Midshipmen", then we can consider the Navy all fixed.  Well, I suppose that's less trouble than new ships.

Great! Now I get to learn what these poop decks were on those old steamers... about time!

 

[midget-boyd91]

Great! Now I get to learn what these poop decks were on those old steamers... about time!

Well, on a day when the cooks add a little too much spice into the food, and all the heads have been filled.... there is a deck designated for overflow from the heads to people can clear their rear. Hold onto your hats and hang yer rear over the rail 

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

I feel the 'Radio Chatter' vortex slowly pulling this thread down, down, down......

 

[Franko]

So, if we bring back the tradition of flogging, square rig uniforms, and "Midshipmen", then we can consider the Navy all fixed.  Well, I suppose that's less trouble than new ships.

Next thing he'll want the Armour Corps to give up getting new tanks and go and get horses.

I'm too old to start learning the fine art of "tent pegging" and "Balaclava".        :

This thread is spiraling......

Regards

 

[Michael OLeary]

Next thing he'll want the Armour Corps to give up getting new tanks and go and get horses.

I'm too old to start learning the fine art of "tent pegging" and "Balaclava".        :

This thread is spiraling......

Regards

Draw your riding boots and aspire to be the Farrier Sergeant, and you too will have the magical threesome: "traditions, uniforms, ranks" back again too.

 

[midget-boyd91]

I feel the 'Radio Chatter' vortex slowly pulling this thread down, down, down......

The thread did spiral down yes (poop deck just asked for it), but I'd still like to know what Ontario thinks needs to be reorganized, and why, before any locks are put onto the thread.
But if it just turns out to be another bring back the 'Royal' thread, there's plenty of other places for Ontario to look.

 

[Ontario]

Rome wasnt built in a day remember that. The traditions ranks and uniforms are important. The current uniforms look like postman outfits. Equiptment can be bought at the same time.  to the one who said that the gov't of NZ provides the funds, there defence spending is about 1 billion dollars. To mike actually i would stop the buying of the leo 2's and get abrams instead, for the fact that spare parts, etc are alot easier to acuire seeing as its just south of the border instead of halfway across the world. As for the poll why does it say pardon. This isnt a bring back the royal thread this is bring back everything except for the old command structure. We should be structured as a Defence force. As for the people who say NO, why. Why not bring back the old services that has brought great priode to this country. The new canadian forces hasnt done anything but peacekeeping, and are about to give up fighting the taliban. The old military would never give up. As in the the 2nd Ypres we were the ones who didnt back down.

 

[armyvern]

Rome wasnt built in a day remember that. The traditions ranks and uniforms are important. The current uniforms look like postman outfits. Equiptment can be bought at the same time.  to the one who said that the gov't of NZ provides the funds, there defence spending is about 1 billion dollars. To mike actually i would stop the buying of the leo 2's and get abrams instead, for the fact that spare parts, etc are alot easier to acuire seeing as its just south of the border instead of halfway across the world. As for the poll why does it say pardon.

I have seen pictures of the pre 67 uniforms. No thanks!! I prefer to keep my 'postman' uniform.

1 billion dollars!! Wow, that's quite a bit for defence considering the minuscule land mass and shoreline they actually have to patrol, comparatively speaking, of course.

 

[CF_Enthusiast]

I think you should give Uncle Rick a call then. I think he is in Ottawa now.


Regards,
TN2IC




Edit due to stupid keyboard is all funky on me tonight. Spelt my diet pepsi on it.

BTW... Can anymore type a question mark on army.ca forumsÉ     All I can get is this...ÉÉÉÉÉÉ

That happened to me yesterday. I had to restart my PC to fix it.

 

[Michael OLeary]

Rome wasnt built in a day remember that. The traditions ranks and uniforms are important. The current uniforms look like postman outfits. Equiptment can be bought at the same time.  to the one who said that the gov't of NZ provides the funds, there defence spending is about 1 billion dollars. To mike actually i would stop the buying of the leo 2's and get abrams instead, for the fact that spare parts, etc are alot easier to acuire seeing as its just south of the border instead of halfway across the world. As for the poll why does it say pardon.

Perhaps if you gave us a brief resume of your personal experiences with the CF command structure, equipment acquisition programs and the study of military history and tradition (with respect to the Canadian Forces since, say, 1945) we could put your remarks in a better context for further debate.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

This isnt a bring back the royal thread this is bring back everything except for the old command structure. We should be structured as a Defence force. As for the people who say NO, why. Why not bring back the old services that has brought great priode to this country. The new canadian forces hasnt done anything but peacekeeping, and are about to give up fighting the taliban. The old military would never give up. As in the the 2nd Ypres we were the ones who didnt back down.

You have very little time left to start making sense.....

 

[Ontario]

If you guys didnt notice i edited a bit more to my last post, as to the army vern by your picture im guessing you are in the land force command, so to you i say by pre 1967 uniforms i dont mean combat uniforms i mean the dress uniforms the olive green, with the "police caps" (not sure what there called) as to mike i have read numerous books on this matter including the who killed the canadian military, and he give great insight on how helyer contributred to the death. He should of stoped after the integration of the command.

 

[Franko]

To mike actually i would stop the buying of the leo 2's and get abrams instead, for the fact that spare parts, etc are alot easier to acuire seeing as its just south of the border instead of halfway across the world.

Yes, and that option was passed over for reasons that are way above my head....it's safe to say that the Leo 2 A5 fleet and Leo 2 A6(M) lease option is the best bang for the buck.
Not only that but Leo C2 crews the jump would literally be a conversion course (cost savings) and the mechs should have it a bit easier to get geared up on the new panzer.

M1s are huge in not only cost, but also maintenance and support expenditures. Not only that but 40% of the Leo 1 parts are interchangeable with the Leo 2...more cost savings.

Plus training crews to use the M1 and adapt tactics that suit the vehicle's characteristics would change a few things in the way we conduct business a bit as well.

You're straying out of your lane methinks....