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Swimming pool... Bilge...Swimming pools and dance floors. HMC Ships sounds down right fun
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Not sure if it started as a joke, but the ship only has 6 decks (with 1 deck being the upper deck, and going down from there), so 7 deck would be the Ocean , about 30ish feet down I guess, so I suppose technically accurate. Bit of a spicy swim though with the pump suctions and propellors going though!
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7 Deck is standing on the bottom of the SONAR Transducer Dome - below the keel.
Been there, done that.
Been there, done that.
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Some Canadian FMS funds directed to supporting SM2 Block IIICU development and manufacturing
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Did they change the numbering convention with the Halifax's, Navy Pete? I seem to recall that in the days of the steamers, 1 deck was the first continuous enclosed deck, which was "Burma Road". The upper deck was 01 deck and the bridge 02, except on the IRO's where, having a three deck superstructure, it was 03.
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Actually got my own answer - thank you Admiralty manual of Seamanship, vol. 1.
One deck is the first continuous deck of a ship (no ref to enclosed). So, obviously, in the St-Laurent's, the after upper deck was not on the same level as the foc'sole, because of the half deck, so "Burma Road" was the first continuous deck. On the IRO, similarly, you had the foc'sole on the same level as the flight deck, so the first continuous deck was the one running on the upper deck from the stern to under the flight deck and all the way forward to the forepeak.
One deck is the first continuous deck of a ship (no ref to enclosed). So, obviously, in the St-Laurent's, the after upper deck was not on the same level as the foc'sole, because of the half deck, so "Burma Road" was the first continuous deck. On the IRO, similarly, you had the foc'sole on the same level as the flight deck, so the first continuous deck was the one running on the upper deck from the stern to under the flight deck and all the way forward to the forepeak.
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Now do passageways vs flats!
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Funny was on the Vancouver at fleet week and asked if they called the main corridor "Burma Road" and the PO looked completely puzzled. He mentioned he jut got tasked to do Fleet week and not part of the permanent crew, so he was not sure if they did or not. What is the origins of that name and is it still used?
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On the HAL's, the main passageway (happy, Underway?) of each ship bears the name of a famous street of the namesake city. MONTREAL has St-Catherine street, TORONTO has Yonge, WINNIPEG has Portage, etc. etc.
Yes, they screwed up the Montreal one: anyone who knows the city knows they should have called it Saint-Laurent, a.k.a. "The Main" in Montreal - the dividing line between East and West on the Island.
Yes, they screwed up the Montreal one: anyone who knows the city knows they should have called it Saint-Laurent, a.k.a. "The Main" in Montreal - the dividing line between East and West on the Island.
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Just noticed you also asked that question. The short answer is we got that from the British, but why is it used even by them (maybe not so much nowadays)?
The two main explanations I've hard of is (1) it honours the feat of HMS Falcon, a 372 tons gunboat that was decommissioned in 1941 in India, had its armament and crew taken to China over the Burma Road (on elephants backs, no less) then re-united with its ship (also somehow taken over by road) and handed to the Chinese military, or (2) it is because the Burma road supplied China by taking the road "over the humps" of the Himalayas - in a ship, the main passageway takes one over the humps of all the watertight bulkheads that separate the various sections of the ship.
Which one is true, if any, I do not know for sure.
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That died with the steamers
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Passageways and flats go different ways in the ship. Passageways go longditudinaly (linking watertight sections) and flats go athwartships (within a watertight section). But mostly we just use the words interchangably and no one bothered to look up the difference. Very few folks know the difference (like very few know the difference between boats and ships).
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Actually, died with the IRO's
Burma Road | Naval Terminology | ReadyAyeReady.com
Burma Road | A nickname given to the main passageway in St. Laurent Class and Iroquois Class destroyers.
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Just like very few people knownthe difference between "aboard" and "on board".
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Talking to a bunch of more recent 280 sailors, none of them referenced to it as that. I suspect it was called that when they were built and over time that just went away. Cool story though.Actually, died with the IRO's
Burma Road | Naval Terminology | ReadyAyeReady.com
Burma Road | A nickname given to the main passageway in St. Laurent Class and Iroquois Class destroyers.
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There was a Burma Road sign on ATH, I think along 3 deck in the offshoot flats with all the PO cabins? Was easy to miss, but when I did my OJT 17ish years ago (holy crap) there was still a lot of stokers that grew up on the steamers working the 280s, so something that the significance faded over time as they retired.
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Yeah, I may have messed that up, it varies by ship design for the reasons you mentioned, and sometimes it's kind of arbitrary, but 6 deck was the keel, so 7 deck would be the ocean. We use the RN convention, and also do the frame numbering from bow to stern, which is apparently different than the commercial practice, which has numbering from somewhere aft (can't remember if it's the end of the keel, or the rudder post). Long story short but RCD builder drawings will be delivered with Canadian conventions so that it's the same as the rest of the fleet and doesn't cause confusion by reversing our DC markings. The RN has a very different definition of conditions Xray and Yankee then we do so a lot of 'translation' back and forth in the TDP to make sure things are properly marked.
We ended up asking our NATO DC counterparts what they use, and I think it was the Netherlands that had the most confusing one that used a combination of letters vice numbers, and had some interesting things about ladder numbering as well, but essentially everyone has something slightly different so you need to just look at a ship layout drawing to figure out context. There was very brief discussion about proposing to standarde it across NATO, but we quickly decided that wasn't worth the squeeze. The pub we submittted for publication almost 2 years ago (ANEP 68- Combat Recoverability standard for warships) is still in bureaucratic limbo, and that's just a performance based standard with high level requirements, so figured something like that would just die on committee agendas.
