Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

[OldSolduer]

It's not a very good model.

It's a model....

Like Camelot?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Trolling the US

https://twitter.com/x/status/1993445747933823463

 

[SeaKingTacco]

That is gold…

 

[Lumber]

That is gold…

Can you imagine?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Can you imagine?

Irving CEO is likely jacking off in the in the executive bathroom to the thought of landing a Golden Fleece USN contract...

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Can you imagine?

Trade them RCDs for F35s?

 

[Lumber]

Trade them RCDs for F35s?

Nah just the idea of the US replacing the Constellation class with River Class, and part of that agreement being US yards build a couple of ours for us.

 

[Underway]

Do they have an alternate plan for frigates? Or they all in on their DDX super destroyer/cruiser/battleship with missiles concept now.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

It's highly knowledgeable people like Pete Hegseth and his ilks making the "MAGA" calls now: They'll go for the "super-duper" DDX destroyer/cruiser/battleship. Never mind that half of them will quickly get sunk by submarines in a shooting war because there aren't any "little escorts" around them to carry out ASW.

And, BTW, they couldn't go for the RCD as a replacement of the Constellation class any more than they could do it successfully with the Italian FREMM: They would have to Americanize it to death to accommodate their manning system, i.e. modify it to manage to stick 300+ humans in that hull originally developed for 200. It would cause the same chaos it did with the Italian design.

IMHO, the biggest mistake they made in their choice for the Constellation class was not picking an American design to start with - one that met all their DC requirements already and could be easily amenable to their accommodation standards: The Ingalls designed one based on the very successful USCG Legend class cutter.

 

[Rainbow1910]

Do they have an alternate plan for frigates? Or they all in on their DDX super destroyer/cruiser/battleship with missiles concept now.

No plans currently besides vague overtures towards "Small Surface Combatants", although we have no idea as to what this entails. It seems likely that the US will need some kind of interim frigate or corvette design given their fleet operational issues, although the political leadership of the US/USN might have also caught the unmanned platform brainrot and could be going all in on such things.

 

[Lumber]

It's highly knowledgeable people like Pete Hegseth and his ilks making the "MAGA" calls now: They'll go for the "super-duper" DDX destroyer/cruiser/battleship. Never mind that half of them will quickly get sunk by submarines in a shooting war because there aren't any "little escorts" around them to carry out ASW.

And, BTW, they couldn't go for the RCD as a replacement of the Constellation class any more than they could do it successfully with the Italian FREMM: They would have to Americanize it to death to accommodate their manning system, i.e. modify it to manage to stick 300+ humans in that hull originally developed for 200. It would cause the same chaos it did with the Italian design.

IMHO, the biggest mistake they made in their choice for the Constellation class was not picking an American design to start with - one that met all their DC requirements already and could be easily amenable to their accommodation standards: The Ingalls designed one based on the very successful USCG Legend class cutter.

Yea but so much of the RCD is now American systems they probably wouldn't need to modify it like they did with the FREMM. The RCD is already slightly Americanizing it's ops department (including calling the Ops Rm the CIC, calling the ORO the TAO and calling the directors Coordinators and making them NCM only). But, I agree they probably won't, just a neat idea.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Yea but so much of the RCD is now American systems they probably wouldn't need to modify it like they did with the FREMM. The RCD is already slightly Americanizing it's ops department (including calling the Ops Rm the CIC, calling the ORO the TAO and calling the directors Coordinators and making them NCM only). But, I agree they probably won't, just a neat idea.

This is going to change the Navy. From trades, to crewing, to security and more.

I don't think a lot of people fully grasp that either.

 

[Lumber]

No plans currently besides vague overtures towards "Small Surface Combatants", although we have no idea as to what this entails. It seems likely that the US will need some kind of interim frigate or corvette design given their fleet operational issues, although the political leadership of the US/USN might have also caught the unmanned platform brainrot and could be going all in on such things.

Yes and somehow this decision is going to speed up their getting ships in the water.

 

[Lumber]

This is going to change the Navy. From trades, to crewing, to security and more.

I don't think a lot of people fully grasp that either.

I talk almost weekly with the dude in charge of designing the changes to the NWO trade and even after months of back and forth with him I still can't fully wrap my head around the path between jr. BWK to ORO.

 

[FSTO]

Yea but so much of the RCD is now American systems they probably wouldn't need to modify it like they did with the FREMM. The RCD is already slightly Americanizing it's ops department (including calling the Ops Rm the CIC, calling the ORO the TAO and calling the directors Coordinators and making them NCM only). But, I agree they probably won't, just a neat idea.

Next week is a major OA brief to CRCN (SAG 3). The OA team will be visiting the coasts I think in Feb/March to inform the fleets about the implementation plan.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I talk almost weekly with the dude in charge of designing the changes to the NWO trade and even after months of back and forth with him I still can't fully wrap my head around the path between jr. BWK to ORO.

Does the USN have their operations officers start in the BWK world ?

Could the case be made for a split ?