Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

[Colin Parkinson]

Some WWII inspired camouflage for the RCD's?

 

[Underway]

I alway thought Seafoam Blue was a paint colour choice that did not work particularly well in the Pacific Ocean, Indian Ocean or Arabian Sea.

I was terrible in the Black Sea and Med. Better in northern lattitudes.

I was doing research for a service paper on paint/coatings and their various signautures, so did some prelim research into the paint.

The current paint scheme was developed by research into North Atlantic Fog (which also looks like North Pacific Fog). The ships just vanish in fog, but given that we're not in the 1960's anymore and the ships missions are further afield than the North Atlantic, well changing things is a good idea.

I think honestly, if it isn't just a model builder choice, it will be a move towards a general purpose colour that works just as well in the Arctic or overseas.

 

[FSTO]

Are you referring to the RCD no longer being that annoying light grey that I always complain about because its so bright to air targets?

I was wondering if that was intentional or just a function of the ship model just using a stock paint colour. You got some inside info on the colour change there FSTO?

DCRN pointed out the colour change. So its happening AFAIK.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I was terrible in the Black Sea and Med. Better in northern lattitudes.

I was doing research for a service paper on paint/coatings and their various signautures, so did some prelim research into the paint.

The current paint scheme was developed by research into North Atlantic Fog (which also looks like North Pacific Fog). The ships just vanish in fog, but given that we're not in the 1960's anymore and the ships missions are further afield than the North Atlantic, well changing things is a good idea.

I think honestly, if it isn't just a model builder choice, it will be a move towards a general purpose colour that works just as well in the Arctic or overseas.

Under certain lighting conditions (first/last light) Canadian ships actually glowed…

 

[NavyShooter]

Redesign of the main mast to match 'sharkfin' has begun....and I see there's a 'step' on the funnel as well that I'm going to have to adjust for too.

 

[Underway]

Redesign of the main mast to match 'sharkfin' has begun....and I see there's a 'step' on the funnel as well that I'm going to have to adjust for too.

I also noticed the aft section where the funnel for the DG's likely is (and where the RAM is located) look wider than the other variants. Might be wrong on that, just might be an optical illusion after they installed different equipment there.

 

[Rainbow1910]

Are you referring to the RCD no longer being that annoying light grey that I always complain about because its so bright to air targets?

I was wondering if that was intentional or just a function of the ship model just using a stock paint colour. You got some inside info on the colour change there FSTO?

I would be immensely disappointed by switching to some generic haze gray paint scheme, given how Canada has its own very distinct paint colour not matched by anybody abroad. I'm also a bit skeptical due to the fact the exact shade of the paint seems to shift a lot to the eye in various lighting conditions, so it can look very different in different conditions and to different people.

 

[Underway]

I would be immensely disappointed by switching to some generic haze gray paint scheme, given how Canada has its own very distinct paint colour not matched by anybody abroad. I'm also a bit skeptical due to the fact the exact shade of the paint seems to shift a lot to the eye in various lighting conditions, so it can look very different in different conditions and to different people.

Its time to change things. That paint scheme in current drone warfare conditions is a danger. It was designed to hide from close range submarine observation in fog. We are now looking at long range IR/digital observation from air and surface. The colour needs to recognize that.

I do appreciate the uniqueness of the colour and place in history. The haze grey on US ships is darker than that one though. That colour looks closer to the UK grey.

 

[NavyShooter]

Item of note - I have realized that I don't actually need to re-print the entire ship to adjust the superstructure....I can reprint the superstructure alone and it'll fit to the existing hull.

I'm going to carry on with the current superstructure version to get this model in the pond, and will work in the background to get the superstructure looking more 'right' and then I can swap that onto the existing hull.

 

[Cloud Cover]

A useful (and apparently now battle proven) addition to the Mk 38 Mod 4 30 mm mount that can be fitted quickly if needed at a cost of approx 1.6M USD$ to modify the mount would be the LMM.

The LMM (Martlet Missile) can take out aerial and surface drones at a range beyond the 30mm, adding another extended short range defence without resorting to the much higher cost of a RAM or ESSM missile. (Approx 35K USD$).

The mount is both remote and local controlled. The Martlet missile can be guided in flight by the same FCS as the gun mount, switch targets, and follow new targets. If the missile misses a target, the same won’t will continue to track and engage with gunfire when target crosses into effective range.

MSI-DS SEAHAWK SIGMA - MSI Defence Systems US LLC

Based upon the proven SEAHAWK mounting, the SIGMA upgrade offers a unique enhancement to our family of 30mm weapon systems. SEAHAWK SIGMA integrates the Thales Lightweight Multi-role Missile (LMM) onto the mount, providing capability to defeat air and surface targets up to approximately 6km...

msi-defencesystemsus.com

Very interestingly this missile can launch from a ship, helicopter or ground vehicle and has been used the past month by British and other forces in Cyprus, Jordan, UAE and Kuwait.
Ukraine utilizes this missile with excellent results.

So could theoretically an RCD have 6 collapsing layers of hard kill self defence:

1. ESSM - range ~ 40km ++
2. 5”54 NG - range ~ 20 km
3. RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM)- range ~9 km +
4. LMM - range ~ 6 km
5. Mk 38 30mm ~ 3 km
6. NRWS .50 cal ~ 2 km

 

[Underway]

The best quote in the RCD today I read was that "this will likely be the best General Purpose Ship in NATO" given its current configuration. It won't be the best AAW ship, it won't be the best ASuW ship, it might be right up there with the UK T26 for the best ASW ship.

 

[suffolkowner]

The best quote in the RCD today I read was that "this will likely be the best General Purpose Ship in NATO" given its current configuration. It won't be the best AAW ship, it won't be the best ASuW ship, it might be right up there with the UK T26 for the best ASW ship.

Is there a reason for the three variants to differ on ASW? Thales vs Ultra mission kit?

 

[NavyShooter]

OK....here's a bit of puttering around in CAD. Gen 1, Gen 2 and Gen 3 - I'm reasonably OK with how #3 looks. Details to add, but I think I've got the essence of the 'shark fin'.