Canadian soldier’s death probed at CFB Borden

[brihard]

5.56x45mm NATO casings and .223 Remington casings are visually identical save for the stamp on the base of the cartridge (thickness of the casing in the 5.56 is slightly thicker).

To summerize what you're saying, the young soldier who passed away in Borden on the rifle range did so by gunshots, and civilian .223 caliber casings were found on the scene, and not military issue 5.56mm casings?

Furthermore, a soldier was charged with some kind of weapon offences shortly after in which the ammo present was civilian .223 bullets, that were somehow related to the previous shooting death.

You think the soldier was murdered, or shot by accident/negligence, and the CFNIS didn't bother investigating the evidence connecting the shooting and the weapon charges.

You have no idea what the other soldier was charged with?

This poster has been active elsewhere trying to peddle a conspiracy theory on this. Basically alleging that there’s a coverup on what should be a murder investigation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/caf/s/X2yqtuAbxp

 

[armyvern]

I've been trying to find the court records to respond but it's very hard to track down. There was a Pte at CFB Borden charged with weapon offenses soon after Pte Fletcher's death (Ammo 223 and an AR-15) which was linked to this case but the NIS did not investigate it much.

If the charges were laid by the military for trial within the military justice system, it would show on the site linked below.

Courts Martial Decisions

You'd have to search by year, then by last name (if you have it). They'll only show up in the linked site if tried within the military. There are four individuals within that site who've been subject to Courts Martial for weapons offences since the date of Pte Fletcher's death. If the individual is one of them, scroll down to see the specific charges laid, and the results for each charge. If the Courts Martial transcript is already available it will also be to the bottom of the page.

Upcoming Courts Martial Calendar

Courts Martial Search

 

[Jarnhamar]

This poster has been active elsewhere trying to peddle a conspiracy theory on this. Basically alleging that there’s a coverup on what should be a murder investigation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/caf/s/X2yqtuAbxp

Those are quite the allegations.

 

[armyvern]

And now seeing by the Reddit post that you are not alledging that this was done by a member of the CAF, but was done by a civilian. That would be handled by civilian authorities (if true).

Okee-dokee.

 

[Haggis]

Those are quite the allegations.

Indeed! It's hard to determine from that single post if a non-CAF member was involved or just non-service ammunition.

Having myself been fired upon, in Canada, by an inebriated hunter during a patrolling exercise on civilian land many years ago, I see that as a possible explanation. This is said to have occurred in September 2024. There were still a number of .223 cal rifles useable for hunting that had not yet been banned.

 

[OldSolduer]

And now seeing by the Reddit post that you are not alledging that this was done by a member of the CAF, but was done by a civilian. That would be handled by civilian authorities (if true).

Okee-dokee.

Is it time for these?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Indeed! It's hard to determine from that single post if a non-CAF member was involved or just non-service ammunition.

Having myself been fired upon, in Canada, by an inebriated hunter during a patrolling exercise on civilian land many years ago, I see that as a possible explanation. This is said to have occurred in September 2024. There were still a number of .223 cal rifles useable for hunting that had not yet been banned.

If someone was out to murder someone, I doubt they'd worry about trudeau's gun list. The bullets and casing should have been able to give the type of firearm, generally.

I'm trying to follow this, but the poster is all over the place. One minute a bunch of charges of sexual and physical abuse, then the subject of is killed. Perhaps my little grey cells need exercise, as Hercule Poirot would say.

 

[Haggis]

If someone was out to murder someone, I doubt they'd worry about trudeau's gun list. The bullets and casing should have been able to give the type of firearm, generally.

My thought was that it might have been a hunting accident with a legal .223 cal firearm. You are correct regarding the identification of the firearm as long as the bullets are recovered mostly intact.

I'm trying to follow this, but the poster is all over the place. One minute a bunch of charges of sexual and physical abuse, then the subject of is killed. Perhaps my little grey cells need exercise, as Hercule Poirot would say.

You are not alone.

 

[WillFletch]

5.56x45mm NATO casings and .223 Remington casings are visually identical save for the stamp on the base of the cartridge (thickness of the casing in the 5.56 is slightly thicker).

To summerize what you're saying, the young soldier who passed away in Borden on the rifle range did so by gunshots, and civilian .223 caliber casings were found on the scene, and not military issue 5.56mm casings?

Furthermore, a soldier was charged with some kind of weapon offences shortly after in which the ammo present was civilian .223 bullets, that were somehow related to the previous shooting death.

You think the soldier was murdered, or shot by accident/negligence, and the CFNIS didn't bother investigating the evidence connecting the shooting and the weapon charges.

You have no idea what the other soldier was charged with?

Here is some additional information: Pte (William) Fletcher was found shot while in the training area of CFB Borden on September 23, 2024 at approximately 1120 hrs (time of phone call for help was 1005 hrs) in area D2, grid 875995 near a hunting blind which was marked as #44 (no where near the CFB Borden Ranges). The Military Police File # 2024-27983 written by Sgt (Jeremy) Graham (NIS) and states 223 rounds were found on the scene. The other soldier was charged with various weapons offences for an AR-15 (over a month later). It was mentioned in the case file but he was not charged in connection with the death. Charges were: Possession of a prohibited firearm, Unauthorized possession of a firearm, Careless use of a firearm, Discharging a firearm in an unsafe manner, Transporting a prohibited firearm improperly, Possession of a prohibited device (magazines), Possession of a firearm with ammunition. (I'm still trying to find the court file #).

 

[Jarnhamar]

Here is some additional information:

Thanks for the additional information.
[By the way you should change your user name]

Pte (William) Fletcher was found shot while in the training area of CFB Borden on September 23, 2024 at approximately 1120 hrs (time of phone call for help was 1005 hrs) in area D2, grid 875995 near a hunting blind which was marked as #44 (no where near the CFB Borden Ranges).

That's an interesting piece of information, was that in the police file number you named?

I also heard the incident took place while the recruit group he was with were at the rifle ranges, and that's where the ambulance responded to. The area you're describing is around 4 km as the crow flies from the nearest rifle ranges.

You're saying his platoon was actually doing some kind of training in D2 (heavy woods with some foot trails, not used with live ammo) when he was shot, or, he and another soldier were in the middle of the training area on their own for some reason when he was shot?


As for the other soldier, what's his connection? He brought a civilian owned AR15 with civilian ammo on to base and out to the training area? Our military rifles are fairly distinctive to anyone who uses them in the military. I would expect someone carrying around a civilian AR15 would stand out.

 

[WillFletch]

Thanks for the additional information.
[By the way you should change your user name]




That's an interesting piece of information, was that in the police file number you named?

I also heard the incident took place while the recruit group he was with were at the rifle ranges, and that's where the ambulance responded to. The area you're describing is around 4 km as the crow flies from the nearest rifle ranges.

You're saying his platoon was actually doing some kind of training in D2 (heavy woods with some foot trails, not used with live ammo) when he was shot, or, he and another soldier were in the middle of the training area on their own for some reason when he was shot?


As for the other soldier, what's his connection? He brought a civilian owned AR15 with civilian ammo on to base and out to the training area? Our military rifles are fairly distinctive to anyone who uses them in the military. I would expect someone carrying around a civilian AR15 would stand out.

The RCEME School was doing training in area D2 and Pte Fletcher was part of the support cell. There was suppose to be no live ammunition just blanks and Piro. He was travelling in a G-Wagon with 4 X C7 rifles and accessories when he stopped after spotting someone in the tree line and went to investigate (as per his phone conversation prior). The soldier charged was known by a number of others for having an AR-15 and taking it to a location off base to shot it. He had also been known to provide 223 ammunition to those who did not have a PAL (according to the report).

 

[Kilted]

Here is some additional information: Pte (William) Fletcher was found shot while in the training area of CFB Borden on September 23, 2024 at approximately 1120 hrs (time of phone call for help was 1005 hrs) in area D2, grid 875995 near a hunting blind which was marked as #44 (no where near the CFB Borden Ranges). The Military Police File # 2024-27983 written by Sgt (Jeremy) Graham (NIS) and states 223 rounds were found on the scene. The other soldier was charged with various weapons offences for an AR-15 (over a month later). It was mentioned in the case file but he was not charged in connection with the death. Charges were: Possession of a prohibited firearm, Unauthorized possession of a firearm, Careless use of a firearm, Discharging a firearm in an unsafe manner, Transporting a prohibited firearm improperly, Possession of a prohibited device (magazines), Possession of a firearm with ammunition. (I'm still trying to find the court file #).

What is the source for this information?