CDN/US Covid-related political discussion

[stellarpanther]

It's natural for kids to ignore what they are told yet we still keep doing it.

Yes, but we try not to put out kids into potentially risky situations.  With the remaining amount of school left in the year, I don't see the purpose in sending them back with the risk still out there for them to catch it and develop problems or spread it and someone else develops problems.

 

[Blackadder1916]

. . . I don't see the purpose in sending them back . . .

I don't know the thought process behind the Quebec government decision, but re-opening "primary schools" possibly solves (at least partially and temporarily) the requirement of having someone watching younger children while parents may be re-entering the workplace; high school aged children (high schools not re-opening until later) are probably considered able to be on their own.

 

[stellarpanther]

I don't know the thought process behind the Quebec government decision, but re-opening "primary schools" possibly solves (at least partially and temporarily) the requirement of having someone watching younger children while parents may be re-entering the workplace; high school aged children (high schools not re-opening until later) are probably considered able to be on their own.

I'm sure this is what part of what it's about but I don't agree with it.  He also wants to build a bit of a herd immunity, he said it himself last week.  I wouldn't send my kid(s) back at this stage.  Companies need to be more understanding to those with kids.  What the CDS said in his letter on Friday show's he really gets in and has compassion for CAF mbr's.  He is a great example and many other leaders should think like him.  Even when the CAF starts bringing people back, some will not be able to return right away because of their family situation. They will also not be looked on negatively for it.

 

[Remius]

I'm sure this is what it's all about but a don't agree with it.  He also wants to build a bit of a herd immunity, he said it himself last week.  I wouldn't send my kid back at this stage.  Companies need to be more understanding to those with kid.  What the CDS said in his letter on Friday show's he really gets in and has compassion for CAF mbr's.  He is a great example and many other leaders should strive to be like him.  Even when the CAF starts bringing people back, some will not be able to return right away because of there family situation. They will also not be looked on negatively for it.

Two of my Quebec colleagues will not be sending their kids back to school on that date.  I’m curious to see how many will refuse at that point.

My sample I sent purely anecdotal and may not represent the genpop though.

 

[BeyondTheNow]

I really dont understand how getting the virus doesnt build immunity.

If getting the live virus and having your immune system beat it off doesnt cause immunity, how in the world will a dead version of the virus in a vaccine possibly be effective?

There are reports of people who’ve purportedly gotten over it catching it again. So they’re trying to figure out if it’s mutated, or the individuals never got over it in the first place/it laid dormant.

I’d assume same as a flu shot. Many get the shot. Those who get it each year aren’t protected from all strands circulating during any given flu season, but it protects them against some. The flu shot isn’t fool-proof, merely a preventative. When they eventually release a vaccination for covid-19, perhaps that’s all it’ll be also—a safety measure, but not a guarantee.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I don't know the thought process behind the Quebec government decision, but re-opening "primary schools" possibly solves (at least partially and temporarily) the requirement of having someone watching younger children while parents may be re-entering the workplace; high school aged children (high schools not re-opening until later) are probably considered able to be on their own.

Teachers' Unions are very powerful. No face to face school = less need for teachers = Union becomes less powerful:

Teachers' union discouraging online learning during COVID-19, doc reveals

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/furey-teachers-union-discouraging-online-learning-during-covid-19-doc-reveals

 

[FJAG]

Married to a former teacher and most of our relatives and friends have connections to teaching.

When the Ontario government floated it's proposal to add more distance learning into the curriculum I made the stupid mistake of agreeing with it. Was quickly put in my place by all around me.  It seems that the problem isn't the unions but the massive underfunding by governments (where have I heard that before ...)

We've had a glut of teaching graduates over the last decade but supposedly that's in the way of turning around and the predictions now are that there will be a teacher shortfall here. https://professionallyspeaking.oct.ca/2019-03/2019-03-Feature-Story-3-PS.asp and https://www.universityaffairs.ca/news/news-article/teacher-supply-goes-from-glut-to-scarcity-in-a-few-short-years/

And yet the unions ...

:brickwall:

 

[Altair]

There are reports of people who’ve purportedly gotten over it catching it again. So they’re trying to figure out if it’s mutated, or the individuals never got over it in the first place/it laid dormant.

I’d assume same as a flu shot. Many get the shot. Those who get it each year aren’t protected from all strands circulating during any given flu season, but it protects them against some. The flu shot isn’t fool-proof, merely a preventative. When they eventually release a vaccination for covid-19, perhaps that’s all it’ll be also—a safety measure, but not a guarantee.

I understand that part of it. Lets say 30 percent of those who get it dont have sufficient immunity and may catch it again. That would leave 70 percent with some form of immunity.

That would be similiar enough to the flu shot, which is why i cannot understand why politicians wouldnt be looking at herd immunity in the same respect.

 

[mariomike]

That would be similiar enough to the flu shot, which is why i cannot understand why politicians wouldnt be looking at herd immunity in the same respect.

'Herd immunity': Why this risky goal isn't practical for COVID-19
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/herd-immunity-why-this-risky-goal-isn-t-practical-for-covid-19-1.4911422

That's so sad, I just watched her Snapchat story not long ago where she talked about the struggles they were facing!!

God Bless them both.  Truly. 

 

[Remius]

This article is for the economy is going to die alarmists.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-how-is-ottawa-going-to-pay-off-its-covid-19-debt-with-any-luck-it/

 

[Brad Sallows]

If the federal government has to overspend massively to prop everything up, it means the economy is badly crippled. 

If massive overspending and high levels of public debt were harmless, governments would overspend massively all the time instead of making choices. 

Regardless what happens to the debt (accumulated deficit), debt servicing costs reduce funds available for program spending.

 

[PuckChaser]

This article is for the economy is going to die alarmists.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-how-is-ottawa-going-to-pay-off-its-covid-19-debt-with-any-luck-it/

That article has nothing to do with the economy is going to die due to COVID-19. It deals solely with the matter of how can a government borrow so much so quickly and what to do after. It also assumes we can just keep borrowing because interest costs are so low, but completely glosses over that once we're saddled with all that debt and the economy starts back up, the servicing costs skyrocket as interest rates rise to stop inflation. What's happened is that the current Liberal government has now added more debt than Harper did after the 2008 Recession, and we haven't hit the recession that was predicted to start just as COVID-19 ground the global economy to a halt. That'll force more borrowing to shore up the economy, pushing us extremely close to the $1 Trillion CAD in Federal Debt mark, which will be awfully hard to create National Childcare, Pharmacare or put more money into schools when you're spending $10-15 Billion CAD to pay interest costs every year.

This article is also an editorial with no name attribution or credential backup any conclusions at all. It has zero credibility.

 

[mariomike]

This article is for the economy is going to die alarmists.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-how-is-ottawa-going-to-pay-off-its-covid-19-debt-with-any-luck-it/

For anyone interested in The Globe and Mail Editorial Code of Conduct,
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/about/editorial-code/

 

[Altair]

'Herd immunity': Why this risky goal isn't practical for COVID-19
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/herd-immunity-why-this-risky-goal-isn-t-practical-for-covid-19-1.4911422

That article is making an assumption that Covid-19 hasnt spread through a large percentage of the population.

Doing random antibody testing in new york has shown that it is possible 25 percent of the population has already had it.

And while its true that nobody knows who strong or how long the immunity might last,  the same will likely be true of any vaccine.

The point I'm trying to make is getting the live virus=Flu shot/vaccine.

 

[MilEME09]

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/04/china-threatens-australias-economy-if-it-investigates-coronavirus-outbreak/?utm_source=asmdss&utm_campaign=alt&utm_medium=facebook

China is now trying to use economic threats to silence countries critical of it.

 

[FJAG]

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/04/china-threatens-australias-economy-if-it-investigates-coronavirus-outbreak/?utm_source=asmdss&utm_campaign=alt&utm_medium=facebook

China is now trying to use economic threats to silence countries critical of it.

Well that will certainly pucker-up young JT.

;D

 

[stellarpanther]

Well that will certainly pucker-up young JT.

;D

What a world.  We have China threatening some countries and Trump threatening China.

 

[OceanBonfire]

Arizona GOP chair encourages anti-stay-at-home protesters to dress like health-care workers

The chairwoman of the Arizona Republican Party is encouraging people planning to protest stay-at-home orders imposed amid the coronavirus pandemic to dress like health-care workers.


https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/arizona-gop-chair-encourages-anti-stay-at-home-protesters-to-dress-like-health-care-workers-1.4915340

 

[stellarpanther]

She has a look on her face like someone who's gone insane.

 

[OceanBonfire]

Quebec is starting to reopen next week and throughout May while they're still barely handling their cases. This is ridiculous.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6876621/quebec-coronavirus-april-28/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/covid-19-quebec-april-28-1.5547422

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/quebec-businesses-to-gradually-reopen-throughout-may-premier-legault-announces-1.4915367

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/quebec-elementary-schools-daycares-to-reopen-starting-may-11-high-schools-to-stay-closed-until-fall-1.4913503