CDN/US Covid-related political discussion

[Loachman]

I got that info right from the link you posted.

I've not really seen an overall issue with compliance except for anti-mask/lockdown rallies and some church services.

Other examples of non-compliance are people gathering in large groups. but hey, it's all about our "freedom" right?

I am trying to remember, though, if "Re (to) below 1" means that infections decline, or remain constant. Regardless, we keep getting these waves despite mask-wearing in public.

So far, no major spikes appear to be connected with outdoor rallies or church services, unless I have missed something.

Not just freedom, for which many have sacrificed their lives and should never be undervalued, but also other causes. Politicians from several US states and major cities actively encouraged participation in large "mostly peaceful protests" last year, and no spike in infections was linked to those, either.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I had the same experience when vaccinated as well as at blood donor clinics. Their argument to me was they know it is new and fresh, as opposed to a mask with an unknown history or debating the merits of the various masks that come through the door. PHU procedures as handed down to the staffers.

Yea I didn't argue much, but just pointed out the irony of giving me a less effective barrier. Frankly dealing with my daughters chronic health care issues has pretty much cratered much of my respect for the Healthcare system and just how ineffective it is at anything long term. My dad was a doctor which didn't help on my opinion of them in the first place, now with a few notable exceptions it's quite low.

 

[PMedMoe]

So far, no major spikes appear to be connected with outdoor rallies or church services, unless I have missed something.

Indoor Church Services Are COVID-19 Hot Spots: Here’s Why

Here in Kingston there were 17 cases linked to one church. That may seem like a drop in the bucket to some, but that's probably quite a few cases that could have been avoided. And without contact tracing info, there's no telling how many others those 17 people may have infected.

I am trying to remember, though, if "Re (to) below 1" means that infections decline, or remain constant.

"Re is the average number of people infected by one person in a population. The goal of any related health care policy is to have an aggregate effect of reducing the effective reproduction number Re to below 1."

So yes, that means infections decline. It even stated that in the sentence itself: "thereby reducing community spread if such measures are sustained.

When used in conjunction with widespread testing, contact tracing, quarantining of anyone that may be infected, hand washing, and physical distancing, face masks are a valuable tool to reduce community transmission. All of these measures, through their effect on Re, have the potential to reduce the number of infections.


Anyway, you wear a mask (or at least you stated you do). If you want to keep searching for info that says masks don't work, have at it. I'm not going to waste time refuting everything you post. Unless it's completely outrageous. Then I'll refute it and laugh while doing so.

 

[lenaitch]

Yea I didn't argue much, but just pointed out the irony of giving me a less effective barrier. Frankly dealing with my daughters chronic health care issues has pretty much cratered much of my respect for the Healthcare system and just how ineffective it is at anything long term. My dad was a doctor which didn't help on my opinion of them in the first place, now with a few notable exceptions it's quite low.

My father-in-law is a retired doctor (and between in-laws plus nieces and nephews, about five more) and I wouldn't say the wife has a jaded opinion, rather . . . realistic. She certainly doesn't put them on a pedestal. It doesn't help that our family doctor is a dick, but once you have one, try and change.

You have to be your own advocate for care - the system won't.

 

[FJAG]

My wife teaches at a private school, I will argue that their teaching standards are far stricter than the public schools here and the resources to support student far more than public schools. Not to mention consequences for students that don't behave and don't keep up their school work.

My guess is that your wife is probably a qualified teacher hired by a private school that charges tuition and has a proper curriculum and standards. There are even some of those down in the States. Those aren't the ones I'm talking about. Read the article.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Quebec woman dies from blood clot after receiving AstraZeneca vaccine, public health director says​

Link

'Very excited': Prime Minister Trudeau receives first dose of COVID-19 AstraZeneca vaccine​

Link


The Prime Minister getting the AstraZeneca vaccine was a very politically smart move, but also a very impressive one leadership-wise.

 

[Weinie]

My father-in-law is a retired doctor (and between in-laws plus nieces and nephews, about five more) and I wouldn't say the wife has a jaded opinion, rather . . . realistic. She certainly doesn't put them on a pedestal. It doesn't help that our family doctor is a dick, but once you have one, try and change.

You have to be your own advocate for care - the system won't.

I have met excellent/competent/shyte practitioners in almost every professional/blue-collar field that I have interacted with. That might come from a multitude of postings across the country.

Very few of the shyte get exposed, unless they do something illegal. Social media has helped somewhat, but agendas also come into play, so even that can't be foolproof.

You have to be your own advocate in almost literally everything. (If I don't post here again, the big government trucks rolled up and took me away)

 

[Colin Parkinson]

In the ER, they generally are really good, but for the long term stuff they generally suck at it. We had to go through 3 Endocrinologist to find one we like and he started out as a spinal surgeon in India and does not have a typical Canadian Healthcare attitude. He is happy to be on the cutting edge of diabetic care and is helping us with looping, which is really a patient driven initiative that both doctors and industry are scrambling to keep up with. Going through the same struggle with immunologists. For being our own advocate, I am blessed with a lawyer wife who is a voracious researcher, with a sharp mind and even sharper tongue. When they suggest a drug, my wife can rattle off from memory all the potentiel side effect and current papers. My guess is that AI and technology is going to make a lot of doctors and specialists redundant.

 

[mariomike]

When it comes to kids.... I put anyone on a pedestal who can help them. Doctors, nurses, cops, firemen.

 

[Weinie]

In the ER, they generally are really good, but for the long term stuff they generally suck at it. We had to go through 3 Endocrinologist to find one we like and he started out as a spinal surgeon in India and does not have a typical Canadian Healthcare attitude. He is happy to be on the cutting edge of diabetic care and is helping us with looping, which is really a patient driven initiative that both doctors and industry are scrambling to keep up with. Going through the same struggle with immunologists. For being our own advocate, I am blessed with a lawyer wife who is a voracious researcher, with a sharp mind and even sharper tongue. When they suggest a drug, my wife can rattle off from memory all the potentiel side effect and current papers. My guess is that AI and technology is going to make a lot of doctors and specialists redundant.

Interesting read on looping. I hope it works well for your family. Thx for posting this.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I have learned far more about diabetes than I ever wanted to know....

 

[mariomike]

If you want to keep searching for info that says masks don't work, have at it. I'm not going to waste time refuting everything you post. Unless it's completely outrageous. Then I'll refute it and laugh while doing so.

Not sure if there is a doctor in the house. I didn't go to medical school. I just follow the Public Health Unit instructions.

 

[Blackadder1916]

Not sure if there is a doctor in the house. I didn't go to medical school. I just follow the Public Health Unit instructions.

Who needs medical school anymore . . .

 

[daftandbarmy]

Who needs medical school anymore . . .

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I enjoy watching an acquaintance of mine, a highly regarded medical professional, squirm in horror as others share the wonderfully important health discoveries (being kept from us all by 'the doctors') they've learned about on the latest podcast.

I just comfort him with comments like 'now you know how I feel when video gamers try to tell me about how to run a house clearing operation'

 

[Altair]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/moderna-deliveries-may-1.6007912

Maj.-Gen. Dany Fortin, the military commander leading vaccine logistics at the Public Health Agency of Canada, said today that Moderna will deliver one million more vaccine doses during the week of May 10.

Deliveries from the Massachusetts-based biotechnology company have been uneven for weeks as it's grappled with supply chain issues, including delays associated with the "quality assurance" process at plants in Europe.

Fortin said the federal government is working with the company to "better regulate its delivery process" to provide the provinces and territories with greater certainty moving forward.

Moderna delivered 650,000 doses yesterday — half the 1.3 million shots initially expected, a cut some provinces have blamed for cancelled appointments.

But Fortin signalled the period of uneven deliveries is coming to an end as Pfizer and Moderna, Canada's two largest suppliers, find their footing.


Fortin said the federal government now expects Moderna will come "as close as possible" to the 12.3 million doses it initially promised to deliver for the April-through-June period, despite past cuts.

Vaccine supplies will ramp up dramatically in the coming months as Pfizer delivers two million shots a week starting in May, and 2.5 million shots per week in the month of June — vaccine stocks that are badly needed as the country struggles to push back a punishing third pandemic wave.

Canada is now expecting 24.2 million doses of the Pfizer product in the second quarter of this year alone.

The number of shots to be delivered over the next five weeks will equal the total number of shots that have arrived over the past five months. That spike in supply is permitting provinces to open up vaccine eligibility.

Ontario and Quebec announced Thursday that all people over the age of 18 will be able to book appointments by May 24 — much earlier than originally planned, thanks in large part to Pfizer boosting its deliveries.

I always thought Patton was my favorite General, but Dany Fortin is making it harder to say that.

 

[RangerRay]

De-bunking the talking points.

Fraser Macdonald: Debunking vaccine talking points

Examining a few vaccine claims that need to be critically assessed

theline.substack.com

 

[Loachman]

I always thought Patton was my favorite General, but Dany Fortin is making it harder to say that.

Had Patton never existed, the CCP virus may well have been the least of your worries, if you were even alive today.

 

[Altair]

Had Patton never existed, the CCP virus may well have been the least of your worries, if you were even alive today.

Ike was going to win, patton just made it easier.

That said, 2nd place on my list isn't bad

 

[PMedMoe]

the CCP virus

The virus has a proper name, SARS-CoV-2 or COVID-19. Please use it.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Hes just using the name it should have...