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China spying on us: CSIS

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China spying on us: CSIS
Visiting students, scientists steal Canadian technology
 
Robert Fife
CanWest News Service

December 29, 2004

OTTAWA - China's intelligence services have systematically targeted Canada's science and technology sectors and use Chinese students and visiting scientists to steal technology for military use and to enhance the country's global economic competitiveness, a senior intelligence source says.

In its annual report to Parliament, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service warns foreign spies are seeking to acquire ''Canada's scientific and technological developments, critical economic and information infrastructure, military and other classified information, putting at risk Canada's national security.''

CSIS does not cite a specific country, but a high-level intelligence source identifies China as the ''most aggressive'' in seeking to illegally acquire Canadian technology.

The official said CSIS was mainly referring to China in its 2003-04 report when the spy service discussed how ''certain foreign governments direct their departments, state-owned corporations and intelligence services to engage in economic espionage against Canada.''

China uses visiting students, scientists, business people and delegations to obtain industrial secrets and high-technology that will benefit Chinese companies and its military-industrial complex, said the source, who asked not to be identified for national security reasons.

Russian intelligence services have also sought to obtain Canadian technology, which led to the 1996 arrest of two of their agents.

However, the official said China has been the most enterprising in using clandestine or coercive activity to gain access to economic and military intelligence. China has targeted Canada's nuclear, aerospace, biotechnology, mining and metallurgy, environmental and oil and gas sectors.

Beijing's China Defence Science and Technology Information Centre is the key collector of Canadian and foreign technology, and is part of the Chinese military's General Equipment Department (GED).

According to a 2003 Pentagon report, China's GED oversees a ''complex web of factories, institutes and academies that are subordinate to China's nuclear, aeronautics, electronics, ordnance, shipbuilding and astronautics industries.''

''Each of these institutions has an import/export corporation to facilitate the import of technology and knowledge,'' the report added.

Wenxng Zuo of the Chinese embassy in Ottawa strenuously denied yesterday China has engaged in espionage in Canada to gain secrets for economic and military use.

''No, it's not true,'' she said.

Paul Martin is about to embark on a 10-day trip to Asia that includes stops in Beijing and Hong Kong. Jim Peterson, the International Trade Minister, will also lead a trade mission to China at the same time.

The Prime Minister, whose family's shipping company has built ships at low-wage Chinese shipyards, is under pressure from the opposition and some Liberal backbench MPs to reject China's takeover of Noranda, one of Canada's biggest mining firms.

Noranda is in talks to be acquired by China Minmetals Corp, a metals producer controlled by the Chinese government, which wants to buy 100% of the $6.7-billion mining giant.


The United States has also accused China of carrying out economic espionage. The FBI claims China uses its nationals, who are sent to North America to study advanced technology, to infiltrate U.S. companies to gain access to sensitive information. They then return to China and set up their own companies or provide the information to the military.

A U.S. congressional committee concluded in 1999 that China obtained critical information about an array of U.S. warheads, including its modern strategic thermonuclear weapons program, through theft from U.S. nuclear weapons labs as well as meticulous scanning of publicly available information.

Paul Moore, a former FBI intelligence analyst who specialized in Beijing spying activities, told The Washington Times Chinese intelligence services do not usually pay for high-tech secrets and expect people friendly to the Communist government, many of whom are ethnic Chinese, to provide it free of charge.

According to a Chinese spying manual obtained by The Washington Times in 2000, more than 80% of all Chinese espionage focuses on open-source material obtained from government and private-sector information. The remaining 20% is gathered through illicit means from scientists at meetings, through documents supplied by agents or through electronic eavesdropping, bribes or computer hacking.

The manual, Sources and Methods of Obtaining National Defence Science and Technology Intelligence, said Beijing set up a database of ''famous scientists'' overseas and describes how ''special methods'' are used to obtain classified information through ''satellite surveillance, electronic bugging, special agent activities [buying or stealing], etc.''
 
Those damned American bastards.   This is obviously their fault.   They're the worst influence on the planet!




Matthew.    ::)

P.S.   For those who don't read online papers, the U.S. will ease the ban on cattle starting in March on all live animals under the age of 30 months.
 
I have been in a lot of research labs (In Canada and other countries), and I have yet to walk into one where there isn't a Chinese scientist working there....most I saw had two or three, minimum. These guys are probably developing the technology that they are 'stealing'  ^-^

Infultration into protective sensitive areas of research is a different story, I would assume....but then again, that line between protected and open source ideas/technology is a fuzzy one. If you don't share information you are cutting your own hands off, but then you don't want to share too much information so you can keep ahead in the game. 

For example, at one of the research labs I worked at, a Chinese girl was given a graduate adviser who worked in a NATO facility that did aerospace research. They would not let her work in the office, fearing that she would see something she should not. But then again, she did go to their office to meet her adviser and talk with the people there. She said her adviser was not working on anything sensitive, but the people in the same office as him were. If she was a spy (I highly doubt that!) she would have had plenty of opportunities to attempt to gather information.  She ended up developing a special algorithm used in certain forms of data analysis. Smart cookie that one. So, if they turned this girl totally away for fear she may gain knowledge, they would not have this technology at all....bit of a dilemma I guess.
 
They're going after mining and metallurgy you say? So THAT's why my department doubled its intake last year... gotta make room to teach all the spies how to make steel   ;)
 
When it comes to espionage and the gathering of state secrets, everyone and not only
the Chinese are in the game.

But hi-tech espionage is funny thing because it crosses into the need to do business. 
Alot of the big names in hi-tech, Nortel, JDS Uniphase, and many Japanese, European,
and US companies all maintain manufacturing facilities in China.  I'm sure Lucent
Technologies is just as interested as what Cisco, Nortel, or JDS are doing, as the national
spy games of various countries.  It doesn't take much for anyone to examine a product,
reverse engineer it, and gather knowledge.  Knowledge is built on knowledge and as
mentioned in other posts, alot of hi-tech info is indeed open source. 
 
1) Is this really a surprise?

2) Is there no reason to believe various other nations could substitute for "China" in the topic title?
 
How much do you want to bet that Canada is spying on China as well.

Brad is right, is this really an issue or a surprise to anyone?
 
Brad is right, is this really an issue or a surprise to anyone?
No surprise. But what provoked this article? Is it CSIS issuing a new warning? Or is it the journalist picking something from nothing? Something tells me it is the latter as the article is not clear on how he came about this information, or in what context.

 
I thought canada was stuck to only being within our country?  Could of sworn I read a past post about that.  Then again that's most likely bs so please take that with a grain of salt
 
"Stuck to being within our country?" You mean we can't spy on others? That would be incorrect. In fact, we cannot "spy" on Canadians without court approval. No such restriction exists for non-Canadians or other nations.

Acorn
 
The Chinese are different than just about any other nation though in how they operate.

It is not unusual or random to use front companies, research associates, etc....it is central policy.

This all goes back to the "Art of War" (which should be manditory reading for everyone).




Matthew.  ;)




 
I'd have to disagree.  Countries operate in similar ways and the "art of war" is
practiced by everyone.  Take a trip to China, compare it to the rest of the world,
and you'll see what I mean.  The difference may be in the relative rule of law
and particulars of history, but people on the micro and macro scale, and
their respective security agencies, are all the same. 
 
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