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The eight excuses of Liberal MPs to duck a public inquiry (and none of them are good enough)​

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Pity the poor Liberal members of the House of Commons procedure and House affairs committee. They want you to know that they would really, truly like to set up an independent public inquiry to investigate China’s meddling in the 2019 and 2021 elections.
But, you must understand, there are just so very many stumbling blocks (at least eight) that make that fine-sounding idea impractical. In several hours of speeches – which the ungenerous might describe as semi-desperate filibustering – Liberal MPs on the committee set right anyone who may have mistakenly believed that public scrutiny would help to bolster Canadians’ shaken confidence in the inviolability of our elections. They made it clear that such a belief is charmingly simple-minded because:

A public inquiry will take too long: This seems to be a big worry for Liberal members, the concern being that a public inquiry might not wrap up its work before an election in 2025, the year the parliamentary alliance with the NDP expires.
They should be comforted by the track record of the Public Order Emergency Commission, which delivered a comprehensive report on the invocation of the Emergencies Act in under 10 months. But there is the example of the Gomery commission that probed the Liberal sponsorship scandal two decades ago, and wrapped up its effort in two years.
A two-year process would mean the findings of an independent inquiry would land a few months ahead of a 2025 campaign. That, in reality, is the nub of the Liberals’ concern.

An inquiry will be too costly: Liberal MP Ruby Sahota shared her worries about the potential expense of a probe, noting that the recent inquiry into Ottawa’s transit woes cost $14.5-million as of last November. The cost of the Gomery commission would be north of $20-million in today’s dollars.
First, we’d like to salute Ms. Sahota’s newfound devotion to fiscal prudence. But we’d like to put her mind at ease: a Gomery-like budget amounts to just over 52 cents per Canadian. That seems like a bargain price to safeguard democracy.

It’s redundant: Why would you want to go through the bother of a public inquiry, when Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his cabinet appoints the commissioner heading the effort, just as he proposes to do with his so-called independent special rapporteur? A fair question, but for the fact that opposition MPs on the committee have unanimously voted in favour of having an inquiry commissioner jointly agreed upon by the major parties. (The same should happen if Mr. Trudeau insists on proceeding with his rapporteur plan.)

Our allies won’t like it: What would the United States and our other Western allies think if we were to air the China meddling scandal in public? For one, they might think Canada was finally treating the national-security threat posed by Beijing with the seriousness it deserves, after years of inexplicable dithering on straightforward decisions such as excluding Huawei from next-generation wireless networks.

Expectations are inflated: The Liberals fret that Canadians have an unrealistic expectation that an independent public inquiry might provide a clear picture of what Beijing has been up to and what the federal Liberal government has done, or not done, about it. Given the lengths the government has gone so far to muddy the waters, one suspects this concern is not entirely genuine.

It’s dangerous: Similarly, the Liberals say they’re worried that a public inquiry could corrode public confidence in elections and the legitimacy of the government. The Liberals are off to a flying start on that front, with weeks of denial and deflection. An inquiry with cross-partisan support will go a long way to repairing that damage.

Canadians are ill-informed: The public is just too dumb, Ms. Sahota implied, as she rattled off findings from an unnamed opinion survey in which citizens were evidently ignorant of a public inquiry’s basics. We’ll say this: It takes a brave politician to take that stand.

Too much information is classified: This is a constant refrain from the Liberals, as well as national security officials. No sane person is asking that CSIS reveal its sources and methods. And, yes, details on Beijing’s illegal activities may be currently classified. But what is classified can be unclassified, with redactions, should the government so choose.
More to the point, the answers to the most important questions for an inquiry (or a parliamentary committee) are not classified: What did the Prime Minister know? When did he know it? And what did he do about it?


Without comment.
 
OPINION

The eight excuses of Liberal MPs to duck a public inquiry (and none of them are good enough)​

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PUBLISHED 13 HOURS AGO
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Pity the poor Liberal members of the House of Commons procedure and House affairs committee. They want you to know that they would really, truly like to set up an independent public inquiry to investigate China’s meddling in the 2019 and 2021 elections.
But, you must understand, there are just so very many stumbling blocks (at least eight) that make that fine-sounding idea impractical. In several hours of speeches – which the ungenerous might describe as semi-desperate filibustering – Liberal MPs on the committee set right anyone who may have mistakenly believed that public scrutiny would help to bolster Canadians’ shaken confidence in the inviolability of our elections. They made it clear that such a belief is charmingly simple-minded because:

A public inquiry will take too long: This seems to be a big worry for Liberal members, the concern being that a public inquiry might not wrap up its work before an election in 2025, the year the parliamentary alliance with the NDP expires.
They should be comforted by the track record of the Public Order Emergency Commission, which delivered a comprehensive report on the invocation of the Emergencies Act in under 10 months. But there is the example of the Gomery commission that probed the Liberal sponsorship scandal two decades ago, and wrapped up its effort in two years.
A two-year process would mean the findings of an independent inquiry would land a few months ahead of a 2025 campaign. That, in reality, is the nub of the Liberals’ concern.

An inquiry will be too costly: Liberal MP Ruby Sahota shared her worries about the potential expense of a probe, noting that the recent inquiry into Ottawa’s transit woes cost $14.5-million as of last November. The cost of the Gomery commission would be north of $20-million in today’s dollars.
First, we’d like to salute Ms. Sahota’s newfound devotion to fiscal prudence. But we’d like to put her mind at ease: a Gomery-like budget amounts to just over 52 cents per Canadian. That seems like a bargain price to safeguard democracy.

It’s redundant: Why would you want to go through the bother of a public inquiry, when Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his cabinet appoints the commissioner heading the effort, just as he proposes to do with his so-called independent special rapporteur? A fair question, but for the fact that opposition MPs on the committee have unanimously voted in favour of having an inquiry commissioner jointly agreed upon by the major parties. (The same should happen if Mr. Trudeau insists on proceeding with his rapporteur plan.)

Our allies won’t like it: What would the United States and our other Western allies think if we were to air the China meddling scandal in public? For one, they might think Canada was finally treating the national-security threat posed by Beijing with the seriousness it deserves, after years of inexplicable dithering on straightforward decisions such as excluding Huawei from next-generation wireless networks.

Expectations are inflated: The Liberals fret that Canadians have an unrealistic expectation that an independent public inquiry might provide a clear picture of what Beijing has been up to and what the federal Liberal government has done, or not done, about it. Given the lengths the government has gone so far to muddy the waters, one suspects this concern is not entirely genuine.

It’s dangerous: Similarly, the Liberals say they’re worried that a public inquiry could corrode public confidence in elections and the legitimacy of the government. The Liberals are off to a flying start on that front, with weeks of denial and deflection. An inquiry with cross-partisan support will go a long way to repairing that damage.

Canadians are ill-informed: The public is just too dumb, Ms. Sahota implied, as she rattled off findings from an unnamed opinion survey in which citizens were evidently ignorant of a public inquiry’s basics. We’ll say this: It takes a brave politician to take that stand.

Too much information is classified: This is a constant refrain from the Liberals, as well as national security officials. No sane person is asking that CSIS reveal its sources and methods. And, yes, details on Beijing’s illegal activities may be currently classified. But what is classified can be unclassified, with redactions, should the government so choose.
More to the point, the answers to the most important questions for an inquiry (or a parliamentary committee) are not classified: What did the Prime Minister know? When did he know it? And what did he do about it?


Without comment.
Exactly what all the political commentators are saying since it’s start. Another Gomrey Commission is not what they want else the small leak pointing blue team since the end of last week.
 
An inquiry will be too costly: Liberal MP Ruby Sahota shared her worries about the potential expense of a probe, noting that the recent inquiry into Ottawa’s transit woes cost $14.5-million as of last November. The cost of the Gomery commission would be north of $20-million in today’s dollars.
First, we’d like to salute Ms. Sahota’s newfound devotion to fiscal prudence. But we’d like to put her mind at ease: a Gomery-like budget amounts to just over 52 cents per Canadian. That seems like a bargain price to safeguard democracy.

Too costly? Yet your effing CRA said 15 billion wasn’t worth recovering.
You found 10 million to pay to an effing terrorist.

Find the money ffs. You seem to find money for pet projects.

And $660M for a needless election pushed by Trudeau’s ego believing he could actually win an out-of-cycle majority was another example, like the $15B you mention, OS, of why the cost of an investigation is a small price to pay for identifying those responsible for supporting the interference and setting the conditions for their being held accountable.
 

Oh, those ChiCom guys with their shenanigans. Despute their duplicity, makes me almost want to laugh over their thinly-veiled motives. Nevertheless, I gotta hand it to them. Not sure why, but for some reason, I am reminded of some of yesteryear’s movies and tv shows. In particular: Dolph Lundgren, Matthias Hues, et al: “I come in peace”.
Or Ed Asner to Mary Tyler Moore: You got spunk (PAUSE)…I HATE SPUNK”.
 

Oh, those ChiCom guys with their shenanigans. Despute their duplicity, makes me almost want to laugh over their thinly-veiled motives. Nevertheless, I gotta hand it to them. Not sure why, but for some reason, I am reminded of some of yesteryear’s movies and tv shows. In particular: Dolph Lundgren, Matthias Hues, et al: “I come in peace”.
Or Ed Asner to Mary Tyler Moore: You got spunk (PAUSE)…I HATE SPUNK”.

And yet the world is full of spunky kids...
 
And yet the world is full of spunky kids...
I for one wish the CCP all the best in mucking about in the Middle East, and in their efforts to ease transport between that part of the world and the Middle Kingdom, meanwhile (even if they don't take a grab at Siberia) dealing with whatever Russia becomes.
 

I know there have been tons of things coming out about China recently and that I posted this yesterday…but…

I think it’s worth a re-visit. Imagine this if you will: The U.S. refuses visas to some Chinese researchers on the grounds that they are likely to engage in espionage. So China, says basically, ”Hey, researchers! Don’t give up hope. Go to Canada instead. They have all kinds of trade secrets, intellectual properties, etc. etc. We’ll teach you how to keep your head down and avoid suspicion and get all kinds of goodies. The CCP will be thankful for what you’ve done. The Canadians make it pretty easy actually.”

And to think the Chinese Embassy in Ottawa and the consulates in various other Canadian cities are still operating and that no one has been sent packing yet,
 
I for one wish the CCP all the best in mucking about in the Middle East, and in their efforts to ease transport between that part of the world and the Middle Kingdom, meanwhile (even if they don't take a grab at Siberia) dealing with whatever Russia becomes.

I wish the Han all the best in their 5 millenium struggle with their neighbours the Turks.
 
I wish the Han all the best in their 5 millenium struggle with their neighbours the Turks.
I for one wish the CCP all the best in mucking about in the Middle East, and in their efforts to ease transport between that part of the world and the Middle Kingdom, meanwhile (even if they don't take a grab at Siberia) dealing with whatever Russia becomes.
Oh, with their Silk Road initiative occurring in many countries, their cozying up to both Iran and Saudi Arabia, they’re efforts to get future support in the U.N. once they invade Taiwan, they won’t need our best wishes.
 
Oh, with their Silk Road initiative occurring in many countries, their cozying up to both Iran and Saudi Arabia, they’re efforts to get future support in the U.N. once they invade Taiwan, they won’t need our best wishes.

My suspicion is that they are going to have more competition for trade with traders in stronger positions than they were. I suspect China will have to bargain harder instead of just imposing their terms.
 
And to think the Chinese Embassy in Ottawa and the consulates in various other Canadian cities are still operating and that no one has been sent packing yet,
This is Canada - now known as a nation that will appease the Panda Bear by bowing to its will. And will then act surprised and upset when China demands something that most Canadians don' want.
Don't expect any consulates to close - not as long as this iteration of the "Liberal" party is in power.

PET did say the Liberal Party was a means to an end many years ago - and China plays the long game very well.
 
This is Canada - now known as a nation that will appease the Panda Bear by bowing to its will. And will then act surprised and upset when China demands something that most Canadians don' want.
Don't expect any consulates to close - not as long as this iteration of the "Liberal" party is in power.

PET did say the Liberal Party was a means to an end many years ago - and China plays the long game very well.
Every time I see the elder Trudeau’s initials it makes me laugh. PET in French means fart
 
If the term 'Aquatic Hegemony' was a map ;)

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If the term 'Aquatic Hegemony' was a map ;)

1678748987278
Is that the map of what is known as the Nine Dash Line? Not sure how to count my lines. Ah, hell, China should just go ahead and say that they own the entire Pacific Ocean based on the travels of Admiral Zheng He in 1421.
 

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https://biv.com/article/2023/03/cash-flew-west-coast-donors-trudeaus-montreal-riding-2015-and-2016

Cash flew from West Coast donors to Trudeau’s Montreal riding in 2015 and 2016

Many donations to Trudeau's and other Liberal Party candidates' campaigns came from individuals connected to the Chinese Communist Party​

By Bob Mackin | March 13, 2023, 2:19pm
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Many donations to Trudeau's and other Liberal Party candidates' campaigns came from individuals connected to the Chinese Communist Party | Justin Trudeau/Flickr
In the space of two days in the summer of 2016, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s Montreal riding association received almost $63,000 from donors in Vancouver, Richmond, West Vancouver and Delta.

Almost all of the 41 donations to the Papineau Federal Liberal Association, dated July 6 and 7, 2016, were $1,500 each.

Three came from directors of the Tiger Arms Ltd. Port Coquitlam gun store, including its namesake Rongxiang “Tiger” Yuan, Ke Xiao of Richmond and Peiran Yang of Vancouver. Another $1,500 donation came from Avery H. Chow of Richmond, who replaced Yuan, Xiao and Yang on the Tiger Arms company registration in March 2020.

Elections Canada’s database shows that between October 2014 and September 2016, B.C. donors sent more than $224,000 across the country to Trudeau’s local re-election fund. Eighty-two of those donations, worth $118,774.55, were dated between Aug. 7, 2015 and Oct. 30, 2015 — five days after the start of the federal election campaign and two weeks after Trudeau’s Liberal majority win.
Individual Canadian citizens can donate to any riding association, up to the annual limit set by Elections Canada. At the time, former Richmond Liberal MP Raymond Chan was one of the Liberal Party’s key fundraisers, targeting wealthy immigrants from mainland China. His wife, Ting Ting Wang, was a special adviser to Trudeau.
Fenella Sung of the Canadian Friends of Hong Kong said a public inquiry is needed into foreign influence by the Chinese government and its Canadian supporters, including the financing and operation of Canadian political parties. Sung said Trudeau’s March 6 plan to hire a “special rapporteur” and refer the issue to two national security committees is totally inadequate.

“That’s one key thing, of all the allegations from the CSIS-leaked report,” Sung said. “That things are happening right at the grassroots level, at the ridings level, about the candidate nomination process, at nomination meetings, as well as political donations. How the money has been changing hands, who donated what?”

In 2015, the year before real estate investor Yuan sent money to Trudeau’s riding association, the former member of China’s People’s Liberation Army made cash buy-ins totalling $4.19 million at River Rock in Richmond, according to a Gaming Policy and Enforcement Branch report. In January of this year, Yuan appeared on-stage at a River Rock Lunar New Year banquet in his role as president of the Canada-China Friendship Promotion Association.

“As ethnic minorities, we must also actively participate in and discuss state affairs, we must obey the law and pay taxes according to regulations,” Yuan said in a short speech, before returning to sit across the head table from NDP Municipal Affairs Minister Anne Kang.

Elections Canada’s database also shows 23 contributions worth $28,400 from B.C. donors to the Don Valley North riding in Toronto from 2016 to 2019.

Richmond real estate and immigration lawyer Hong Guo gave $1,500 in June 2016 to the association behind Liberal Geng Tan, the first China-born, Mandarin-speaking member of Parliament. Tan did not run for re-election in 2019. According to a Global News report, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service warned Trudeau before the election that replacement candidate Han Dong was part of China’s foreign influence network.

More than two-thirds of the B.C. donations to Don Valley North, worth $11,000, were in August 2016, as Tan was preparing to travel with Trudeau on his first official visit to China.

Wang Dianqi, the executive chair of the Canadian Alliance of Chinese Associations (CACA) from June 2016 to June 2018, donated $1,500 to Tan’s association. CACA is the Richmond-based umbrella for more than 100 business and cultural groups, whose website states that it is an active participant in Overseas Chinese Affairs Office (OCAO) activities. OCAO is an arm of the Chinese Communist Party’s United Front program, which aims to influence foreign politicians to adopt positions favourable to the Chinese government.

Wang also contributes goods and money to the People’s Liberation Army and frequently attends Chinese government celebrations and meetings in Beijing. During his term heading CACA, Wang gave $3,950 to the association behind Vancouver-East NDP MP Jenny Kwan, and $3,390 in donations to the Liberals.
Wei Renmin, the South Surrey resident who was CACA executive chair from October 2020 to October 2022, made 15 political donations totalling $21,022.99. That included five to Kwan’s campaigns, one to the Montreal area riding of former Canadian Forces Lt.-Gen. Andrew Leslie in February 2015 and $1,500 to Trudeau’s Papineau association in October 2015.

His predecessor, Yongtao Chen, donated $10,558.96, of which 43 per cent went to the Conservatives, 42.5 per cent to the Liberals and 13.7 per cent to the NDP. Chen sent $1,510 to Michael Chong’s bid for the Conservative leadership in May 2017.
In 2016, two years after his term as CACA executive chair, Miaofei Pan gave $2,898.96 to the Liberals and $2,450 to the NDP. Pan was also Wenzhou Friendship Society president and famously hosted Trudeau at one of his Shaughnessy mansions for a private event on Nov. 7, 2016.

By April of 2017, still reeling from the controversial party at Pan’s, the Liberal Party buckled to pressure and announced proactive disclosure of fundraising events and attendee lists. Elections Canada later began an online registry of major fundraising events involving party leaders and cabinet ministers.

In an interview before the 2019 election, Pan correctly predicted the Trudeau Liberals would lose seats, but still remain in power.

Trudeau, he said, is a “good guy and with enough capability to be a prime minister in Canada. Of course [Stephen] Harper was also a good guy as well.”

Hanging on one of Pan’s walls was his framed photograph with Harper. In September 2011, Pan donated $1,100 to the Abbotsford Conservative Association.
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https://biv.com/article/2023/03/cash-flew-west-coast-donors-trudeaus-montreal-riding-2015-and-2016

Cash flew from West Coast donors to Trudeau’s Montreal riding in 2015 and 2016

Many donations to Trudeau's and other Liberal Party candidates' campaigns came from individuals connected to the Chinese Communist Party​

By Bob Mackin | March 13, 2023, 2:19pm
justintrudeau-flickrgovofcan.jpg

Many donations to Trudeau's and other Liberal Party candidates' campaigns came from individuals connected to the Chinese Communist Party | Justin Trudeau/Flickr
In the space of two days in the summer of 2016, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s Montreal riding association received almost $63,000 from donors in Vancouver, Richmond, West Vancouver and Delta.

Almost all of the 41 donations to the Papineau Federal Liberal Association, dated July 6 and 7, 2016, were $1,500 each.

Three came from directors of the Tiger Arms Ltd. Port Coquitlam gun store, including its namesake Rongxiang “Tiger” Yuan, Ke Xiao of Richmond and Peiran Yang of Vancouver. Another $1,500 donation came from Avery H. Chow of Richmond, who replaced Yuan, Xiao and Yang on the Tiger Arms company registration in March 2020.

Elections Canada’s database shows that between October 2014 and September 2016, B.C. donors sent more than $224,000 across the country to Trudeau’s local re-election fund. Eighty-two of those donations, worth $118,774.55, were dated between Aug. 7, 2015 and Oct. 30, 2015 — five days after the start of the federal election campaign and two weeks after Trudeau’s Liberal majority win.
Individual Canadian citizens can donate to any riding association, up to the annual limit set by Elections Canada. At the time, former Richmond Liberal MP Raymond Chan was one of the Liberal Party’s key fundraisers, targeting wealthy immigrants from mainland China. His wife, Ting Ting Wang, was a special adviser to Trudeau.
Fenella Sung of the Canadian Friends of Hong Kong said a public inquiry is needed into foreign influence by the Chinese government and its Canadian supporters, including the financing and operation of Canadian political parties. Sung said Trudeau’s March 6 plan to hire a “special rapporteur” and refer the issue to two national security committees is totally inadequate.

“That’s one key thing, of all the allegations from the CSIS-leaked report,” Sung said. “That things are happening right at the grassroots level, at the ridings level, about the candidate nomination process, at nomination meetings, as well as political donations. How the money has been changing hands, who donated what?”

In 2015, the year before real estate investor Yuan sent money to Trudeau’s riding association, the former member of China’s People’s Liberation Army made cash buy-ins totalling $4.19 million at River Rock in Richmond, according to a Gaming Policy and Enforcement Branch report. In January of this year, Yuan appeared on-stage at a River Rock Lunar New Year banquet in his role as president of the Canada-China Friendship Promotion Association.

“As ethnic minorities, we must also actively participate in and discuss state affairs, we must obey the law and pay taxes according to regulations,” Yuan said in a short speech, before returning to sit across the head table from NDP Municipal Affairs Minister Anne Kang.

Elections Canada’s database also shows 23 contributions worth $28,400 from B.C. donors to the Don Valley North riding in Toronto from 2016 to 2019.

Richmond real estate and immigration lawyer Hong Guo gave $1,500 in June 2016 to the association behind Liberal Geng Tan, the first China-born, Mandarin-speaking member of Parliament. Tan did not run for re-election in 2019. According to a Global News report, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service warned Trudeau before the election that replacement candidate Han Dong was part of China’s foreign influence network.

More than two-thirds of the B.C. donations to Don Valley North, worth $11,000, were in August 2016, as Tan was preparing to travel with Trudeau on his first official visit to China.

Wang Dianqi, the executive chair of the Canadian Alliance of Chinese Associations (CACA) from June 2016 to June 2018, donated $1,500 to Tan’s association. CACA is the Richmond-based umbrella for more than 100 business and cultural groups, whose website states that it is an active participant in Overseas Chinese Affairs Office (OCAO) activities. OCAO is an arm of the Chinese Communist Party’s United Front program, which aims to influence foreign politicians to adopt positions favourable to the Chinese government.

Wang also contributes goods and money to the People’s Liberation Army and frequently attends Chinese government celebrations and meetings in Beijing. During his term heading CACA, Wang gave $3,950 to the association behind Vancouver-East NDP MP Jenny Kwan, and $3,390 in donations to the Liberals.
Wei Renmin, the South Surrey resident who was CACA executive chair from October 2020 to October 2022, made 15 political donations totalling $21,022.99. That included five to Kwan’s campaigns, one to the Montreal area riding of former Canadian Forces Lt.-Gen. Andrew Leslie in February 2015 and $1,500 to Trudeau’s Papineau association in October 2015.

His predecessor, Yongtao Chen, donated $10,558.96, of which 43 per cent went to the Conservatives, 42.5 per cent to the Liberals and 13.7 per cent to the NDP. Chen sent $1,510 to Michael Chong’s bid for the Conservative leadership in May 2017.
In 2016, two years after his term as CACA executive chair, Miaofei Pan gave $2,898.96 to the Liberals and $2,450 to the NDP. Pan was also Wenzhou Friendship Society president and famously hosted Trudeau at one of his Shaughnessy mansions for a private event on Nov. 7, 2016.

By April of 2017, still reeling from the controversial party at Pan’s, the Liberal Party buckled to pressure and announced proactive disclosure of fundraising events and attendee lists. Elections Canada later began an online registry of major fundraising events involving party leaders and cabinet ministers.

In an interview before the 2019 election, Pan correctly predicted the Trudeau Liberals would lose seats, but still remain in power.

Trudeau, he said, is a “good guy and with enough capability to be a prime minister in Canada. Of course [Stephen] Harper was also a good guy as well.”

Hanging on one of Pan’s walls was his framed photograph with Harper. In September 2011, Pan donated $1,100 to the Abbotsford Conservative Association.
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