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Gunner_Robertson
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how does one go abouts become a CIC? You know like the trainning officer? 
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In order to become a CIC officer, you must find a corps/Sqn that will accept you on strength. From there you have to get a criminal record and an inhanced reliability check (credit check). Grade 12 or GED is a also a most. CIC officers will also be required to be interviewed at the local CFRC. Thats all I can think of at the moment, I dont think there are any more requirements.
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Gunner_Robertson
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well my cor. is new I pertty sure they‘d need the hand.. But what easy to get into CIC or reg. Forces what else dose a CIC do? just going to cadet 1 a week and thats it? :warstory:
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Some CIC officers are also employed for other jobs. They may work full time at the Regional HQ as SO2 or SO3 (staff officer 2 & 3) and other admin jobs. Some CIC go to the Cadet Summer Training Centres for two months of employment, or work as movements officers for all the cadets. Also some are in the reserves as well. I know a guy who was an 2Lt in Air cadets, but also serves with the local reserve unit as an officer.
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I don‘t know how a CIC officer could be an officer in a reserve unit as the training is different as are the requirements for each job, now if it was an officer with the reserves volunteer to help the cadet corps, thats a different story, but it can not be the other way around.
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Gunner_Robertson
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Thanks for the help guyz...still think about weather to become a CIC or join the reg. froces
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Just to add to the job list, you can also work at the Directorate of Cadets at NDHQ or teach to other CIC officers in your Region Cadet Instructor School. But your primary function is your work at your local cadet unit, nothing else. Thats what you‘re trained for adn that‘s what you should stick to for the first few years at least.
In Eastern Region, employment of CIC officers in Primary Reserve units is prohibited.
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it is impossible to prohibit a moc change.. if a cic wants to transfer to PRes they have to let them. (go through the process at least) but a CIC officer isnt allowed to work with a PRes unit as a CIC officer. (if thats what you ment) they have to re-badge
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Gunner_Robertson
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A degree? in what? oh....God I have to collage! **** it..oh well
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A degree? in what? oh....God I have to collage! **** it..oh well
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I was talking about Eastern Region. Central Region might have a different policy. I‘ve also heard the "John DeChastelain was a CIC rumor" (actually that he transferred to the CIC to serve past the age of 60 since we retire at 65). Anyone can confirm tha rumor ?
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CIC are members of the Reservers (Sub-unit thereof). They are commissioned, and it‘s just as valid as someone who graduates from RMC (Yes, I know more time/work/training goes into their degree at RMC, but in the end, the commission looks exactly the same).
The highest substantive rank you will be able to reach as a CIC Officer at this EXACT moment in time, is LtCol/Cdr, and that tends to be very rare, and I can only remember 2 cases where it happened:
1. Pacific Region RCO -- Usually a Reg Force LtCol post, however they were short, so they brought back a retired Reg Force Officer as a CIC Officer, and he is a substantive Cdr.
2. HMCS Quadra CO -- I BELIEVE is substantive...He was reg force Navy/Air, and retired as a Major. When he finishes his term as CO of Quadra, he‘ll be 65, and so will no longer be able to serve, so I believe they granted him a substantive rank of Cdr, so that he could collect pay incentives (He also isn‘t involved with units during the year).
Most Camp CO‘s are Majors during the year, and are only A/LtCol‘s over the summer.
Unless a CIC Officer is tranfering to a different MOC, I don‘t see why they would be attached to a non-cadet unit....especially in Toronto, where there are who knows how many cadet corps around.
CIC Officers cannot be posted to a Reserves unit, because how/why would the unit have them paid? Their MOC isn‘t relevent to their training, so I don‘t really see why it would happen....seems like a waste of funds to me.
Something that is done moreso on the army side than air and sea, is having "CIC NCM‘s" which is very bizarre, and doesn‘t happen too, too often in anycase. This happens if the NCM happens to be a specialist, has time-in, and the unit has an opening. To my understanding, it‘s not to be done often, and if a CIC Officer is incoming, and they would take up the slate spot that the NCM is holding, the NCM must leave or enroll CIC.
IPC‘s should be counted as time-in, this isn‘t altogether too uncommon. Rank is a bit different though, if you‘re transferring at a different rank....I know CIC Lt(N)‘s who went down to OS‘s, because they lacked a degree. You still need to meet certain requirements. While back in the day, the CIC used to be on a different pay scale, they are now on the same pay scale as reservists (as it‘s what they are), and depending on the MOC they are going to, may be able to keep their IPC. However, this is largely case by case, and depends on the individuals experience.
For example, a corps AdminO who is a Lt with 5 years in, and wants to be an infantry officer, probably would have a long road ahead....where as a CIC Captain who has 25 years in, 20 of them working at RCSU or NDHQ as a PAFO, wants to transfer to Reserves Public Affairs, might have a far better chance of retaining their rank/IPC (depending on what their other qualifications are).
The age to enroll CIC is actually 18, but this is rarely done, and sometimes it can cause controvery when you have cadets the same age. That being said, there is nothing wrong with it, and it has been done.
There are ‘full‘ time CIC Officers who work at RCIS (Regional Cadet Instructor School), RCSU (Regional Cadet Supper Unit), and NDHQ doing various jobs from training, to public affairs, etc. This aren‘t the easiest to come by, especially if you are a new officer, unless you have some sort of specialist qualification. I know the Regional Sail Lady for Pac Region was a "CIC Officer", but worked at RCSU(Pac) as a civilian (pay-thing), and I think she started working there before she was enrolled. She‘s also a Black Sail Instructor (highest level) with a lot of experience.
The biggest joke in the CIC I‘m told, is "Yeah, one night a week and the occassional weekend". All of a sudden when you calculate in cadet exercises, signing off CF-51‘s, getting funding, etc, it‘s a LOT more time, so it‘s not really the ‘easy‘ MOC. Like each one, it has it‘s challenges.
So how do you decide between Reg Force and the Reserves, CIC MOC? Well, it‘s apples and oranges to an extent. You‘ve narrowed it down to the Forces, but do you want a full time job or a part time job? The Reg Force has MANY MOC‘s, is there one that appeals to you, or do you want to work with youth part time, while having a career in another field?
You can always volunteer with a cadet unit as a Reg Force Officer. Many postings at RCSU and NDHQ (NCM and Officer) are Reg Force postings, so that‘s another factor to consider.
If you only want to join the MOC that requires the least amount of education, well....lol, not entirely sure you‘re looking at the right place
Hope this all helps!
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The highest substantive rank you will be able to reach as a CIC Officer at this EXACT moment in time, is LtCol/Cdr, and that tends to be very rare, and I can only remember 2 cases where it happened:
1. Pacific Region RCO -- Usually a Reg Force LtCol post, however they were short, so they brought back a retired Reg Force Officer as a CIC Officer, and he is a substantive Cdr.
2. HMCS Quadra CO -- I BELIEVE is substantive...He was reg force Navy/Air, and retired as a Major. When he finishes his term as CO of Quadra, he‘ll be 65, and so will no longer be able to serve, so I believe they granted him a substantive rank of Cdr, so that he could collect pay incentives (He also isn‘t involved with units during the year).
Most Camp CO‘s are Majors during the year, and are only A/LtCol‘s over the summer.
Unless a CIC Officer is tranfering to a different MOC, I don‘t see why they would be attached to a non-cadet unit....especially in Toronto, where there are who knows how many cadet corps around.
CIC Officers cannot be posted to a Reserves unit, because how/why would the unit have them paid? Their MOC isn‘t relevent to their training, so I don‘t really see why it would happen....seems like a waste of funds to me.
Something that is done moreso on the army side than air and sea, is having "CIC NCM‘s" which is very bizarre, and doesn‘t happen too, too often in anycase. This happens if the NCM happens to be a specialist, has time-in, and the unit has an opening. To my understanding, it‘s not to be done often, and if a CIC Officer is incoming, and they would take up the slate spot that the NCM is holding, the NCM must leave or enroll CIC.
IPC‘s should be counted as time-in, this isn‘t altogether too uncommon. Rank is a bit different though, if you‘re transferring at a different rank....I know CIC Lt(N)‘s who went down to OS‘s, because they lacked a degree. You still need to meet certain requirements. While back in the day, the CIC used to be on a different pay scale, they are now on the same pay scale as reservists (as it‘s what they are), and depending on the MOC they are going to, may be able to keep their IPC. However, this is largely case by case, and depends on the individuals experience.
For example, a corps AdminO who is a Lt with 5 years in, and wants to be an infantry officer, probably would have a long road ahead....where as a CIC Captain who has 25 years in, 20 of them working at RCSU or NDHQ as a PAFO, wants to transfer to Reserves Public Affairs, might have a far better chance of retaining their rank/IPC (depending on what their other qualifications are).
The age to enroll CIC is actually 18, but this is rarely done, and sometimes it can cause controvery when you have cadets the same age. That being said, there is nothing wrong with it, and it has been done.
There are ‘full‘ time CIC Officers who work at RCIS (Regional Cadet Instructor School), RCSU (Regional Cadet Supper Unit), and NDHQ doing various jobs from training, to public affairs, etc. This aren‘t the easiest to come by, especially if you are a new officer, unless you have some sort of specialist qualification. I know the Regional Sail Lady for Pac Region was a "CIC Officer", but worked at RCSU(Pac) as a civilian (pay-thing), and I think she started working there before she was enrolled. She‘s also a Black Sail Instructor (highest level) with a lot of experience.
The biggest joke in the CIC I‘m told, is "Yeah, one night a week and the occassional weekend". All of a sudden when you calculate in cadet exercises, signing off CF-51‘s, getting funding, etc, it‘s a LOT more time, so it‘s not really the ‘easy‘ MOC. Like each one, it has it‘s challenges.
So how do you decide between Reg Force and the Reserves, CIC MOC? Well, it‘s apples and oranges to an extent. You‘ve narrowed it down to the Forces, but do you want a full time job or a part time job? The Reg Force has MANY MOC‘s, is there one that appeals to you, or do you want to work with youth part time, while having a career in another field?
You can always volunteer with a cadet unit as a Reg Force Officer. Many postings at RCSU and NDHQ (NCM and Officer) are Reg Force postings, so that‘s another factor to consider.
If you only want to join the MOC that requires the least amount of education, well....lol, not entirely sure you‘re looking at the right place
Hope this all helps!
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CI Dumaran
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"The education level of the participants shows that only .8 percent of CIC officers have less than a high school education. 40.3 percent of the respondents have completed university studies â †from a certificate to a PhD. 5.5 percent of our population has completed graduate degrees."
A quote from the CIC Omnibus Survey.
It‘s rare to get in the CIC without university education.
A quote from the CIC Omnibus Survey.
It‘s rare to get in the CIC without university education.
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The CIC officer I was referring too was in the
CIC (wore the air CIC uniform while there) and was also part of the local artillery reserve unit (wore the local artillery reserve uniform). Apparently he was given permission. I dont know any more.
And about the fact that it is pretty hard to get into the CIC without a degree, Im guessing that is purely a regional problem, because in my squadron, all 6 officers do not have a degree, and many other officers are just high shcool grads. Many just age out of cadets, then sign up for the CIC. I know that in PAC region they are short by several hundred officers, so that could be why as well.
CIC (wore the air CIC uniform while there) and was also part of the local artillery reserve unit (wore the local artillery reserve uniform). Apparently he was given permission. I dont know any more.
And about the fact that it is pretty hard to get into the CIC without a degree, Im guessing that is purely a regional problem, because in my squadron, all 6 officers do not have a degree, and many other officers are just high shcool grads. Many just age out of cadets, then sign up for the CIC. I know that in PAC region they are short by several hundred officers, so that could be why as well.
