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Canadian Army Today Fall 2025
Land C5ISRT
Command Control Communications Computers Cyber Intelligence Surveillance Reconnaissance Targeting
In other words, the entire OODA-loop without the effectors
Observing (via sensors), Orienting, Deciding, Acting (in the sense of issuing commands to effectors)
Six incorporated projects
1 - Tactical Communications Modernization - > 5000 MCAD
apps.forces.gc.ca
"modernization of tactical voice and data radios, as well as beyond line of site and high capacity line of site communications systems for CA Bde and below"
Definition started 2025/26
Delivery 2030 to 2037
2 - Tactical Command & Control Information Systems Modernization - 1000 to 4990 MCAD
apps.forces.gc.ca
"improve the following command functions: commander decision-making at all levels, situational awareness, collaborative planning including information/data sharing with other joint partners, electronic transmission of orders and plans, battle tracking and monitoring the operational status of brigade groups, battle groups, combat teams, platoons, sections and detachments."
Definition started 2024/25
Delivery 2030 to 2037
3 - Intelligence Surveillance & Reconnaissance Modernization - 1000 to 4990 MCAD
apps.forces.gc.ca
"integrating, interfacing and consolidating existing sensor information efficiently, making sensor outputs readily available to commanders and staff throughout the battlefield, providing tools for the effective management and control of all battlefield sensors and enabling access to external sensor products from Joint, Interagency, Multinational and Public sources."
Definition in progress
Delivery 2029 to 2033
4 - Joint Deployable Headquarters & Signals Regiment Modernization - 250 to 499 MCAD
apps.forces.gc.ca
"fielding joint fires support tools, small mission deployable command and control suites, joint common operational picture systems, digital liaison team support tools, commanders’ tactical command post and combined, joint, interagency command and control interoperability functions"
Definition started 2025/26
Delivery 2033 to 2036
5 - Combined Joint Intelligence Modernization - 100 to 249 MCAD
apps.forces.gc.ca
"requirements include secure deployable work environments (electronically shielded shelters), a training and storage facility and the required IT systems to enable access to the TS enterprise network."
Definition started 2025/26
Delivery 2029 to 2031
6 - Canadian Forces Land Electronic Warfare Modernization - 500 to 1000 MCAD
apps.forces.gc.ca
"This project will satisfy the following capabilities; Command (electronic warfare planning management and analysis), Sense (electronic warfare support), Act, (counter command and control electronic attack), and Shield (Indications and Warnings)."
Definition started 2024/25
Delivery 2030 to 2033
I will take the opportunity to add a seventh to the mix
7 - Joint Fires Modernization - 250 to 499 MCAD
apps.forces.gc.ca
"Digital Fires Command and Control (C2) and Targeting Software - to facilitate planning and execution of the deliberate and dynamic targeting cycles, exchange digitized information between sensors, deciders, and effectors in a multinational coalition context, and enable the rapid prosecution of targets within the land domain while minimizing the potential for fratricide and collateral damage;"
Definition in progress
Delivery 2025 to 2030
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Between now and 2037 there is an intention spend something like 17 BCAD on C5ISRT for the Land components of the Joint effort.
I gather that the RCN, the RCAF and in particular its Space Command have got similar plans in the works.
Compare that to the F35 and RCD projects and it is of a similar budget magnitude.
I don't think the projects will terminate in 2037.
I don't think the spending will terminate in 2037 either.
Given the rate of change, continuous improvement and an constantly evolving enemy I expect that as soon as the money is spent and the systems are delivered theire will be new and better systems on offer and required.
This could almost be considered a continuing, or operating expense.
At the same time I would hope that we would start seeing some targeted benefits from these expenditures before 2030.
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Which, if any, of these projects, might or is the IBCTs type of system funded?
Land C5ISRT
Command Control Communications Computers Cyber Intelligence Surveillance Reconnaissance Targeting
In other words, the entire OODA-loop without the effectors
Observing (via sensors), Orienting, Deciding, Acting (in the sense of issuing commands to effectors)
Six incorporated projects
1 - Tactical Communications Modernization - > 5000 MCAD
Land Command Support System Tactical Communications Modernization - Defence Capabilities Blueprint
Land Command Support System Tactical Communications Modernization - Defence Capabilities Blueprint
"modernization of tactical voice and data radios, as well as beyond line of site and high capacity line of site communications systems for CA Bde and below"
Definition started 2025/26
Delivery 2030 to 2037
2 - Tactical Command & Control Information Systems Modernization - 1000 to 4990 MCAD
Land Command Support System Tactical Command and Control Information System Modernization - Defence Capabilities Blueprint
Land Command Support System Tactical Command and Control Information System Modernization - Defence Capabilities Blueprint
"improve the following command functions: commander decision-making at all levels, situational awareness, collaborative planning including information/data sharing with other joint partners, electronic transmission of orders and plans, battle tracking and monitoring the operational status of brigade groups, battle groups, combat teams, platoons, sections and detachments."
Definition started 2024/25
Delivery 2030 to 2037
3 - Intelligence Surveillance & Reconnaissance Modernization - 1000 to 4990 MCAD
Land Intelligence Surveillance Reconnaissance Modernization - Defence Capabilities Blueprint
Land Intelligence Surveillance Reconnaissance Modernization - Defence Capabilities Blueprint
"integrating, interfacing and consolidating existing sensor information efficiently, making sensor outputs readily available to commanders and staff throughout the battlefield, providing tools for the effective management and control of all battlefield sensors and enabling access to external sensor products from Joint, Interagency, Multinational and Public sources."
Definition in progress
Delivery 2029 to 2033
4 - Joint Deployable Headquarters & Signals Regiment Modernization - 250 to 499 MCAD
Joint Deployable HQ and Signal Regiment Modernization - Defence Capabilities Blueprint
Joint Deployable HQ and Signal Regiment Modernization - Defence Capabilities Blueprint
"fielding joint fires support tools, small mission deployable command and control suites, joint common operational picture systems, digital liaison team support tools, commanders’ tactical command post and combined, joint, interagency command and control interoperability functions"
Definition started 2025/26
Delivery 2033 to 2036
5 - Combined Joint Intelligence Modernization - 100 to 249 MCAD
Combined/Joint Intelligence Modernization - Defence Capabilities Blueprint
Combined/Joint Intelligence Modernization - Defence Capabilities Blueprint
"requirements include secure deployable work environments (electronically shielded shelters), a training and storage facility and the required IT systems to enable access to the TS enterprise network."
Definition started 2025/26
Delivery 2029 to 2031
6 - Canadian Forces Land Electronic Warfare Modernization - 500 to 1000 MCAD
CF Land Electronic Warfare Modernization - Defence Capabilities Blueprint
CF Land Electronic Warfare Modernization - Defence Capabilities Blueprint
"This project will satisfy the following capabilities; Command (electronic warfare planning management and analysis), Sense (electronic warfare support), Act, (counter command and control electronic attack), and Shield (Indications and Warnings)."
Definition started 2024/25
Delivery 2030 to 2033
I will take the opportunity to add a seventh to the mix
7 - Joint Fires Modernization - 250 to 499 MCAD
Joint Fires Modernization - Defence Capabilities Blueprint
Joint Fires Modernization - Defence Capabilities Blueprint
"Digital Fires Command and Control (C2) and Targeting Software - to facilitate planning and execution of the deliberate and dynamic targeting cycles, exchange digitized information between sensors, deciders, and effectors in a multinational coalition context, and enable the rapid prosecution of targets within the land domain while minimizing the potential for fratricide and collateral damage;"
Definition in progress
Delivery 2025 to 2030
.....
Between now and 2037 there is an intention spend something like 17 BCAD on C5ISRT for the Land components of the Joint effort.
I gather that the RCN, the RCAF and in particular its Space Command have got similar plans in the works.
Compare that to the F35 and RCD projects and it is of a similar budget magnitude.
I don't think the projects will terminate in 2037.
I don't think the spending will terminate in 2037 either.
Given the rate of change, continuous improvement and an constantly evolving enemy I expect that as soon as the money is spent and the systems are delivered theire will be new and better systems on offer and required.
This could almost be considered a continuing, or operating expense.
At the same time I would hope that we would start seeing some targeted benefits from these expenditures before 2030.
....
Which, if any, of these projects, might or is the IBCTs type of system funded?
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I don't understand your question.
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I understand the American IBCT system to be a piece of the American CJADC2 puzzle.
I am gathering that we are engaging with a similar puzzle, whether we call it CJADC2 or not.
Where would IBCTs or its equivalent slot into our current funding structure? Or would it?
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Related question:
If we buy a NASAMS system it consists of
Effectors - guns, missiles, directed radio frequency weapons and lasers.
The missiles can be from multiple sources, as can the guns but the TEL launchers appear to be critical to th operation of the system
Sensors - Radar, EO/IR sensors and acoustic sensors
And then a bunch of C5ISRT stuff including the operators' HMI station.
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Which prompts the next thought, where does the C5ISRT budget end and capital project budgets begin.
Is the CIC in the RCD part of the capital plan?
Or is it a C5ISRT/CJADC2 budget that needs to be constantly refreshed?
The gunner's HMI for the RWS on top of his TAPV, is that part of the gun or part of the C5ISRT infrastructure? What if the gun is remotely mounted at the end of a fibre optic cable? Or the cable is replaced by an RF link? Or that one gunner with his singlr HMI is co-ordinating the fires of a battery of guns?
Or, a final case, an Aussie F18 is pulled out of storage, refitted to make it ready for flight, then outfitted with the hardware and software necessary so that it can be put back into storage as a ready to use, flyable UAV. Could that be flown from an existing MQ-9 HMI or an RCD CIC? How much of those costs would be C5ISRT costs and how much would attach to the aircraft and the HMI assuming that both alrady exist in inventory?
I am gathering that we are engaging with a similar puzzle, whether we call it CJADC2 or not.
Where would IBCTs or its equivalent slot into our current funding structure? Or would it?
....
Related question:
If we buy a NASAMS system it consists of
Effectors - guns, missiles, directed radio frequency weapons and lasers.
The missiles can be from multiple sources, as can the guns but the TEL launchers appear to be critical to th operation of the system
Sensors - Radar, EO/IR sensors and acoustic sensors
And then a bunch of C5ISRT stuff including the operators' HMI station.
....
Which prompts the next thought, where does the C5ISRT budget end and capital project budgets begin.
Is the CIC in the RCD part of the capital plan?
Or is it a C5ISRT/CJADC2 budget that needs to be constantly refreshed?
The gunner's HMI for the RWS on top of his TAPV, is that part of the gun or part of the C5ISRT infrastructure? What if the gun is remotely mounted at the end of a fibre optic cable? Or the cable is replaced by an RF link? Or that one gunner with his singlr HMI is co-ordinating the fires of a battery of guns?
Or, a final case, an Aussie F18 is pulled out of storage, refitted to make it ready for flight, then outfitted with the hardware and software necessary so that it can be put back into storage as a ready to use, flyable UAV. Could that be flown from an existing MQ-9 HMI or an RCD CIC? How much of those costs would be C5ISRT costs and how much would attach to the aircraft and the HMI assuming that both alrady exist in inventory?
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I'm not sure if your explanation helped clarify the question.
The only one of these projects I have any insight to is JFM. The project specifies what components are within the scope of the project and which are outside. For example the joint fires command and control software is within scope. A new LAV OPV is out of scope. You need to understand the details of the project very carefully to fully understand what is within its scope and how it fits in with existing capabilities or what new, but out of scope, capabilities it is to be capable of integrating with.
The only one of these projects I have any insight to is JFM. The project specifies what components are within the scope of the project and which are outside. For example the joint fires command and control software is within scope. A new LAV OPV is out of scope. You need to understand the details of the project very carefully to fully understand what is within its scope and how it fits in with existing capabilities or what new, but out of scope, capabilities it is to be capable of integrating with.
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