CMMA - replacing the CP140 Aurora

[Spencer100]

P-1

The P-1 is a Kawasaki product.

Kawasaki P-1 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The CRJ program was sold to Mitsubishi to support their now cancelled/put on hold MRJ SpaceJet.

Mitsubishi SpaceJet - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Probably be building new hangers anyways so…could build them for either the 1 or the 8.

 

[Spencer100]

So if you are a Ottawa type you want a "made in Canada" but with a competitive bid but really the operators just want the Boeing. Great. Here are some of your options.

Made in Canada Airframes
Airbus A220
DHC Dash 8
Mitsubishi CRJ
Bombardier Global

Current in service MPAs
Boeing P8
Kawasaki P-1

Others
Saab with a Gulfstream
GD with their Gulfstream
Lockheed with C-130
Airbus A219? Or Other

 

[dimsum]

So if you are a Ottawa type PSPC and ISED, you want a "made in Canada" but with a competitive bid but really the operators just want the Boeing.

The P-8 is the most mature platform out there.

The P-1 is used by one country, so the supply chain isn't as robust (e.g. if you need a tire and you're operating a P-8, chances are any major airport that services 737s will have one). Also, Japan hasn't been able to export military equipment since WWII, so I bet they'll have to get up to speed on international military sales nuances.

The rest will involve various levels of development, with Canada as a lead customer. That worked well with the Cyclone

 

[Spencer100]

The P-8 is the most mature platform out there.

The P-1 is used by one country, so the supply chain isn't as robust (e.g. if you need a tire and you're operating a P-8, chances are any major airport that services 737s will have one). Also, Japan hasn't been able to export military equipment since WWII, so I bet they'll have to get up to speed on international military sales nuances.

The rest will involve various levels of development, with Canada as a lead customer. That worked well with the Cyclone

I forgot the leading contender!!! If you are PSPC....This what you call Success!!!

Vietnam set to receive first Twin Otter MPA

Vietnam's navy is set to receive its first of six Viking Air DHC-6 Twin Otter Series 400 aircraft in August. Three examples, designated the Guardian...

www.flightglobal.com

Just one small issue.....Quebec content.....hmmm.....that will take another day.....

 

[FSTO]

The rest will involve various levels of development, with Canada as a lead customer. That worked well with the Cyclone

Jesus Dimsum, it was a beautiful morning here on the Prairie and you just ruined it with that line. Because you've just doomed the project to another disaster.

 

[Good2Golf]

I forgot the leading contender!!! If you are PSPC....This what you call Success!!!

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Vietnam set to receive first Twin Otter MPA

Vietnam's navy is set to receive its first of six Viking Air DHC-6 Twin Otter Series 400 aircraft in August. Three examples, designated the Guardian...

www.flightglobal.com

Just one small issue.....Quebec content.....hmmm.....that will take another day.....

Easy, award L3 MAS in Mirabel the in-service support contract. Sorry IMP.

 

[dimsum]

Jesus Dimsum, it was a beautiful morning here on the Prairie and you just ruined it with that line. Because you've just doomed the project to another disaster.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

The P-8 is the most mature platform out there.

The P-1 is used by one country, so the supply chain isn't as robust (e.g. if you need a tire and you're operating a P-8, chances are any major airport that services 737s will have one). Also, Japan hasn't been able to export military equipment since WWII, so I bet they'll have to get up to speed on international military sales nuances.

The rest will involve various levels of development, with Canada as a lead customer. That worked well with the Cyclone

However if we leveraged a combined relationship to get P-1's and be part of the Japanese sub program, the risks may be worth it.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Meanwhile…

Norwegian Air Force takes delivery of third P-8A Poseidon aircraft

The Royal Norwegian Air Force (RNoAF) has taken delivery of the third out of five P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft from the US-based aerospace company Boeing.

www.airforce-technology.com

 

[KevinB]

Meanwhile…

Norwegian Air Force takes delivery of third P-8A Poseidon aircraft

The Royal Norwegian Air Force (RNoAF) has taken delivery of the third out of five P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft from the US-based aerospace company Boeing.

www.airforce-technology.com

So if Norway needs 5, Canada would need at least 40?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

So if Norway needs 5, Canada would need at least 40?

I like the way you roll…

 

[KevinB]

I like the way you roll…

I’m all about go big or go home

I just looked at the Norwegian AOR and Canada’s, and extrapolated it, plus I assume Canada won’t buy 40, but a significant number under what is proposed, so I figure start with 40 and aim for at least 25

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I’m all about go big or go home

I just looked at the Norwegian AOR and Canada’s, and extrapolated it, plus I assume Canada won’t buy 40, but a significant number under what is proposed, so I figure start with 40 and aim for at least 25

I still like how you roll.

 

[Good2Golf]

(Political staffer to PCO brain trust): “Wouldn’t three be enough for Canada? You know, one for each coast?” (Thinking they’d be scoring brownie points for the Arctic Ocean reference)

(PCO brain trust): “We like the way you think, Xxx Yyyyy!”

 

[rmc_wannabe]

(Political staffer to PCO brain trust): “Wouldn’t three be enough for Canada? You know, one for each coast?” (Thinking they’d be scoring brownie points for the Arctic Ocean reference)

(PCO brain trust): “We like the way you think, Xxx Yyyyy!”

TBS: "Have you seen the cost of maintaining those 3 planes over 50 years?! No thank you..."

 

[Spencer100]

Here is Dash 8 MPA

PAL Aerospace and De Havilland Canada Announce MOU to Develop Dash 8 P-4 Special Mission Aircraft - De Havilland Canada

dehavilland.com

 

[FJAG]

Here is Dash 8 MPA

PAL Aerospace and De Havilland Canada Announce MOU to Develop Dash 8 P-4 Special Mission Aircraft - De Havilland Canada

dehavilland.com

... low-impact on the environment combined with its high productivity and jet-like performance ...

Say no more. We'll take a dozen.

 

[Spencer100]

Oh I forgot about a dark horse winner here Aircraft Photo of M71-01 | Bombardier CL-415MP (CL-215-6B11) | Malaysia - Coast Guard | AirHistory.net #116826

The Canadair Bombardier Viking DeHaviland CL-415, but with new flavours added the CL-515

De Havilland to develop updated water bomber called DHC-515 Firefighter

De Havilland Aircraft of Canada has re-launched development of an updated water bomber based on the stalwart CL-series line of firefighting aircraft.

www.flightglobal.com

 

[Spencer100]

Another option the Sea Hercules!

Lockheed Sees its SC-130J Sea Herc as The Affordable Solution to Answe

Lockheed Sees its SC-130J Sea Herc as The Affordable Solution to Answer UK Future MPA Needs

www.navyrecognition.com

If that that option is too specialized, we could just roll a palletizing mission kit on-board.

PARIS: Lockheed unveils maritime patrol kit for C-130 Hercules

Lockheed Martin is working on a maritime patrol aircraft retrofit kit for the C-130 Hercules.

www.flightglobal.com

And see we can just use the C-130J we already have. Again Success!

They would just have to share with the rest of the Forces. Monday SAR, Tuesday Army moves, Wednesday Navy, Thursday RCAF missions, Friday MPA, weekends repair.