CMMA - replacing the CP140 Aurora

[SupersonicMax]

... low-impact on the environment combined with its high productivity and jet-like performance ...

Ah yes. Capped at 25,000 ft and just about 240 KCAS. Very “jet like.” If your jet is a Vampire. And even then…

 

[YZT580]

Another option the Sea Hercules!

Lockheed Sees its SC-130J Sea Herc as The Affordable Solution to Answe

Lockheed Sees its SC-130J Sea Herc as The Affordable Solution to Answer UK Future MPA Needs

www.navyrecognition.com

If that that option is too specialized, we could just roll a palletizing mission kit on-board.

PARIS: Lockheed unveils maritime patrol kit for C-130 Hercules

Lockheed Martin is working on a maritime patrol aircraft retrofit kit for the C-130 Hercules.

www.flightglobal.com

And see we can just use the C-130J we already have. Again Success!

They would just have to share with the rest of the Forces. Monday SAR, Tuesday Army moves, Wednesday Navy, Thursday RCAF missions, Friday MPA, weekends repair.

Pick up the British castoff C130J's and have them converted by Pal. Win-win with a Canadian company developing it and another excellent British purchase, like the subs

 

[dimsum]

Here is Dash 8 MPA

PAL Aerospace and De Havilland Canada Announce MOU to Develop Dash 8 P-4 Special Mission Aircraft - De Havilland Canada

dehavilland.com

So, uh, where do the torpedoes go?

 

[GR66]

So, uh, where do the torpedoes go?

No torps needed. We can "convene" with any foreign subs and negotiate their cooperation!

 

[armrdsoul77]

Another option the Sea Hercules!


If that that option is too specialized, we could just roll a palletizing mission kit on-board.


And see we can just use the C-130J we already have. Again Success!

They would just have to share with the rest of the Forces. Monday SAR, Tuesday Army moves, Wednesday Navy, Thursday RCAF missions, Friday MPA, weekends repair.

Throw some floats on it for fishing on Sundays.

 

[Dana381]

With the budget the CAF is likely to get for it all they will be able to afford is slightly less clapped out P-3's that the U.S. has retired. Then they will spend as much as a P-8 costs to make them into an Aurora

 

[Spencer100]

Throw some floats on it for fishing on Sundays.
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Don't laugh too hard the Marines are really thinking about doing just that.

Amphibious MC-130J Transport Is On Special Operations Command's Wishlist

There have been proposals for a waterborne C-130 Hercules in the past, but the U.S. special operations community might just make it a reality.

www.thedrive.com

 

[armrdsoul77]

Don't laugh too hard the Marines are really thinking about doing just that.

Amphibious MC-130J Transport Is On Special Operations Command's Wishlist

There have been proposals for a waterborne C-130 Hercules in the past, but the U.S. special operations community might just make it a reality.

www.thedrive.com

Fishing is no laughing matter.

 

[Spencer100]

Also

Special Ops Want to Turn the C-130 Into a Seaplane — Really

The Hercules, one of the most versatile planes in aviation history, isn't finished yet.

www.popularmechanics.com

 

[dapaterson]

With the budget the CAF is likely to get for it all they will be able to afford is slightly less clapped out P-3's that the U.S. has retired. Then they will spend as much as a P-8 costs to make them into an Aurora

Currently budgeted for "over $5B" - see Canadian Multi-Mission Aircraft - Defence Capabilities Blueprint

 

[kev994]

Pick up the British castoff C130J's and have them converted by Pal. Win-win with a Canadian company developing it and another excellent British purchase, like the subs

They’re block 6 (No ADS-B or RNAV approaches) and would need to be upgraded to block 8 so it’s not as inexpensive as one would think.
Upon reflection I guess that’s right up our alley.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I’m all about go big or go home

I just looked at the Norwegian AOR and Canada’s, and extrapolated it, plus I assume Canada won’t buy 40, but a significant number under what is proposed, so I figure start with 40 and aim for at least 25

Without putting up bar graphs and stuff, I think our minimum needs are 20 to account for maint cycle, 2 operational Sqns (405,407), 1 training Sqn (404) and 1 Force Development Sqn (415).

Each would be assigned a number aircraft.

I’ve watched the crapshoot “priority” can create in a small fleet. I don’t think it works well medium to long term.

If we did get 20, we will need to look hard at technician numbers.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

With the budget the CAF is likely to get for it all they will be able to afford is slightly less clapped out P-3's that the U.S. has retired. Then they will spend as much as a P-8 costs to make them into an Aurora

I’m going to bet against you on this one…

 

[KevinB]

I believe you where probably told a number close to 24 by us…

 

[Good2Golf]

They’re block 6 (No ADS-B or RNAV approaches) and would need to be upgraded to block 8 so it’s not as inexpensive as one would think.
Upon reflection I guess that’s right up our alley.

Wow. Heck, we were pushing Block 8.0/8.1 for ACP-T back in 2014-2015. Leaving aircraft at 6.0 seems almost willfully negligent.

 

[dimsum]

I believe you where probably told a number close to 24 by us…

That's more than the number of CP-140s we have now.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

I believe you where probably told a number close to 24 by us…

Well we had 33 Argus’s at one point and they could all do 24+hr flights…

Honestly I just want a plane I don’t have to carry my own piss off of on deployments…

Oh. And get MAD. There’s no reason to not have MAD.

 

[KevinB]

That's almost double the number of CP-140s we have now.

Which was woefully inadequate and contributed to the issues you face now. Canada has constantly replaced AirFrames since the 50’s at a less than 1:1 rate, and if allowed to continue the entire RCAF will be sitting at a desk reminiscing about what it was like when their grandparents flew…

Frankly if I was king, I’d toss on some E-8’s to the P-8 order, as that fits the bill for a bunch of other missing CAF NORAD requirements too.

 

[dimsum]

Honestly I just want a plane I don’t have to carry my own piss off of on deployments…

Hey, and poop too!

 

[KevinB]

Hey, and poop too!

He likes to carry that bag apparently.