CMMA - replacing the CP140 Aurora

[MilEME09]

Briefing tomorrow

Government of Canada to hold technical briefing to provide an update on the Strategic Tanker Transport Capability Project - Canada.ca

Senior officials from National Defence, Public Services and Procurement Canada, Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada as well as the Royal Canadian Air Force will hold a virtual technical briefing, on the Strategic Tanker Transport Capability Project.

www.canada.ca

 

[dapaterson]

Briefing tomorrow

Government of Canada to hold technical briefing to provide an update on the Strategic Tanker Transport Capability Project - Canada.ca

Senior officials from National Defence, Public Services and Procurement Canada, Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada as well as the Royal Canadian Air Force will hold a virtual technical briefing, on the Strategic Tanker Transport Capability Project.

www.canada.ca

STTC is the CC-150 transport (aka Wardair rejects) replacement, not the Aurora replacement. aka Airbus, not Boeing.

 

[MilEME09]

STTC is the CC-150 transport (aka Wardair rejects) replacement, not the Aurora replacement. aka Airbus, not Boeing.

Ah I'm getting my projects confused, my bad

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Filed under “unrelated news”? (Both stories)

If it was me, I wouldn’t hold me breath on anything official pre-Labour day. Just a WAG, I have no inside knowledge.

 

[MilEME09]

Filed under “unrelated news”? (Both stories)

If it was me, I wouldn’t hold me breath on anything official pre-Labour day. Just a WAG, I have no inside knowledge.

Eat your words

https://twitter.com/x/status/1683901969788698640

 

[GR66]

Eat your words

https://twitter.com/x/status/1683901969788698640

Great news. No only more capacity per aircraft (245,000 lbs of fuel for the MRTT vs 80,000 lbs for the Polaris if Wikipedia is to be believed) but also significant increase in the fleet size (9 x MRTT vs 5 CC-150).

Now about the CMMA project...

 

[Good2Golf]

Who was it that said, “An AEW&C capability doth not an ASW capability maketh?”

 

[suffolkowner]

Great news. No only more capacity per aircraft (245,000 lbs of fuel for the MRTT vs 80,000 lbs for the Polaris if Wikipedia is to be believed) but also significant increase in the fleet size (9 x MRTT vs 5 CC-150).

Now about the CMMA project...

plus I think only 2 of the CC-150 are tankers and all the CC-330's are going to be MRTT including the VVIP?

one of the CC-150's just got in a fender bender too

Canadian, French military planes ‘came into contact’ at Guam air base - National | Globalnews.ca

The Department of National Defence told Global News the incident occurred Friday on the ramp at Anderson Air Force Base "in which the two aircraft came into contact."

globalnews.ca

edit; apparently 8 MRTT and the one VVIP which should still be able to haul people and stuff if this guy is right

https://twitter.com/x/status/1683891145388982285

edit no 2 5 are second hand including the two already so pretty fast moving for CAF/DND

https://twitter.com/x/status/1683891147960209410

 

[dapaterson]

I suspect it may be easier from a configuration management perspective to have all nine the same. Reduces NRE, there's a single training pipeline,increases flexibility in employment...

And an ACSO on the VIP bird not pumping gas can be employed as an Air Coffee Service Officer.

 

[calculus]

A bit more on this here, including the cost to buy the 3 other used planes ($150 million), that pilots have been training in the UK since January, and that there will be three bases (one in the east, one in the west and one in the north). That last is a bit puzzling, since the article states that 2 will fly out of Ottawa, and I think it's safe to say a few would be in Trenton, so that leaves the Western and Northern locations. A bit of a puzzle, and the math does not add up to 3... (Ottawa, Trenton, "Western", and "Northern"). Still though, great news, even if the details are still a bit hazy.

Ottawa buying nine Airbus planes to replace Polaris fleet, including PM's plane

The federal government says it has signed a contract with European aviation company Airbus to replace its aging Polaris fleet at a cost of $3.6 billion.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[dapaterson]

A bit more on this here, including the cost to buy the 3 other used planes ($150 million), that pilots have been training in the UK since January, and that there will be three bases (one in the east, one in the west and one in the north). That last is a bit puzzling, since the article states that 2 will fly out of Ottawa, and I think it's safe to say a few would be in Trenton, so that leaves the Western and Northern locations. A bit of a puzzle, and the math does not add up to 3... (Ottawa, Trenton, "Western", and "Northern"). Still though, great news, even if the details are still a bit hazy.

Ottawa buying nine Airbus planes to replace Polaris fleet, including PM's plane

The federal government says it has signed a contract with European aviation company Airbus to replace its aging Polaris fleet at a cost of $3.6 billion.

www.ctvnews.ca

Two operating locations - one east, one west. One forward deployed location in the north (not permanently occupied). Ottawa as a temporary location for the first two aircraft. The announcement (below) is more precise.

The Strategic Tanker Transport Capability Project and NORAD Modernization - Canada.ca

Since 1992, the CC-150 Polaris aircraft and its crews have provided outstanding service to Canada. The roles of this fleet include providing air-to-air refuelling to our fighter fleet and our Allies and partners aircraft, providing cargo and personnel airlift, strategic Government of Canada...

www.canada.ca

 

[armrdsoul77]

CC-137 was also called Husky.

 

[Maxman1]

CC-137 was also called Husky.
View attachment 79059

Two of which are still in service as E-8 Joint STARS.

 

[MilEME09]

A new challanger for MPA? This is out of left field

Catalina Aircraft relaunches ‘iconic’ flying boat, eyes military sales

Florida-based Catalina Aircraft says it plans to start new production on a modernised version of the legendary World War II-era PBY Catalina flying boat, targeting military and commercial operators.

www.flightglobal.com

 

[NavyShooter]

As a history buff - YES PLEASE.

As a realistic military capability...heck no.

As a Canadian hoping for best bang for buck for our military? I think it's as good an option as the Bombardier concept aircraft that's being touted...how about we re-open the bidding process and allow both this AND the Bombardier plane to submit?

 

[FSTO]

A new challanger for MPA? This is out of left field

Catalina Aircraft relaunches ‘iconic’ flying boat, eyes military sales

Florida-based Catalina Aircraft says it plans to start new production on a modernised version of the legendary World War II-era PBY Catalina flying boat, targeting military and commercial operators.

www.flightglobal.com

Cdr Salamander on the usefulness of a seaplane for SAR.

Seaplanes Bring Out the Worst in the Potomac Flotilla

the obvious answer

open.substack.com

 

[GR66]

Cdr Salamander on the usefulness of a seaplane for SAR.

Seaplanes Bring Out the Worst in the Potomac Flotilla

the obvious answer

open.substack.com

There was a recent Taiwan conflict wargame that highlighted exactly the need for the USN in particular to have rescue ships and aircraft to recover crews of both downed aircraft and damaged/sunken ships.

There's already a Canadian-made solution for that role as well (as well as SOF insertion, cargo transport and as a bonus for the "ewww...war is icky crowd"...firefighting)

DHC-515 FIREFIGHTER™ - De Havilland Canada

Building on the exceptional operational capability of the CL-415, this next generation aircraft offers significant benefits to operators, including design changes that incorporate new materials, and corrosion protection to reduce maintenance costs.

aerialfirefighter.vikingair.com

Maritime Mission | Viking's Aerial Firefighter

Mission Profile Liaison / Support on Water Up to 2903 kg (6400 lb) of cargo Deploy boats for transfer of personnel, equipment, supplies, spare parts, etc.

aerialfirefighter.vikingair.com

 

[GK .Dundas]

There was a recent Taiwan conflict wargame that highlighted exactly the need for the USN in particular to have rescue ships and aircraft to recover crews of both downed aircraft and damaged/sunken ships.

There's already a Canadian-made solution for that role as well (as well as SOF insertion, cargo transport and as a bonus for the "ewww...war is icky crowd"...firefighting)

DHC-515 FIREFIGHTER™ - De Havilland Canada

Building on the exceptional operational capability of the CL-415, this next generation aircraft offers significant benefits to operators, including design changes that incorporate new materials, and corrosion protection to reduce maintenance costs.

aerialfirefighter.vikingair.com

Maritime Mission | Viking's Aerial Firefighter

Mission Profile Liaison / Support on Water Up to 2903 kg (6400 lb) of cargo Deploy boats for transfer of personnel, equipment, supplies, spare parts, etc.

aerialfirefighter.vikingair.com

The question I have is ,does it the range to do the job ?

 

[GR66]

The question I have is ,does it the range to do the job ?

From Wikipedia (for the CL-415...couldn't find stats for the upgraded DHC-515):

Performance

• Maximum speed: 359 km/h (223 mph, 194 kn) Max Cruise
• Cruise speed: 333 km/h (207 mph, 180 kn) Normal Cruise
• Stall speed: 126 km/h (78 mph, 68 kn) MLW, Landing Configuration
• Ferry range: 2,427 km (1,508 mi, 1,310 nmi) 278 km/h (150 kn) Long Range Cruise
• Endurance: 3 hours at 200 nmi (370 km) from base
• g limits: +3.25−1.0 g
• Rate of climb: 5.9 m/s (1,170 ft/min) (ISA, MTOW)
• Wing loading: 212.5 kg/m2 (43.52 lb/sq ft) Maximum After-scooping
• Takeoff (ISA): 783 m (2,569 ft) (land), 814 m (2,671 ft) (water)
• Landing (ISA): 674 m (2,211 ft) (land), 665 m (2,182 ft) (water)

 

[FSTO]

The question I have is ,does it the range to do the job ?