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Comparing the Combat Arms (Inf vs. Engr vs. Armd vs. Arty)

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Casing,
I‘m sure the Arty folk do a lot more "infantry type" work than most people realize. But, how do you justify the statement that the Artillery does all the same things that the infantry do and get the fire the "big guns" as well? If your statement is true, then your regiment should think about planning their exercises and training programs better. Artillery is not infantry, and vice versa. There is some overlap with roles and justifiably so. All army personnel should have some knowledge of infantry skills. And granted, with the stress on personnel overseas, often Arty (and other combat arms) are seen doing gate shifts and patrols. But I don‘t think this justifies training an Arty soldier in section attacks and fighting patrols. If you‘re trying to recruit potential infanteers by saying that Arty isn‘t all just howitzers and driving, fine. But don‘t question the fact that infantry soldiers are specialists at their trade just like any other. I don‘t think you are purposefully doing so, but you seem to suggest that anyone can be an infanteer. If someone wants to specialize in infantry tactics, they go infantry. If they want to specialize in artillery, they go arty. Plain and simple. If your trade really is interesting, you shouldn‘t need to pander to those considering infantry or any other trade. Your combat arms role should sell itself.

PS And for the record, an acquaintance of mine recently completed his leadership course which was staffed by mostly Arty folk (including his platoon warrant). Let‘s just say he wasn‘t impressed.
 
I think that my initial post has been misunderstood. gate_guard put the key phrase out there when he said "there is some overlap with roles". That is my point exactly. I am not claiming that artillery = infantry = artillery.

I am not suggesting that someone should choose artillery over infantry. Or that artillery is better than infantry. Or any of that other junk. What I am saying is that I have seen posts where people express concern about the possibility of not getting into the infantry trade for some reason or other. In such instances, I wonder why they do not also put artillery-or even armour-as their other two choices. They are both combat arms and from what I can tell the combat and physical aspects seem to be main selling points. And in respect to my previous statement that arty people get to do the same things as infantry ("pretty much" does not equal "all")--well, I stand by that statement, but I did not intend that the two trades are completely transferable. We did recce, did patrols, stood guard, dug ditches, got dirty, carried C7‘s, etc, etc.

I am not on a recruiting binge for the artillery. I haven‘t even been in since ‘94! When I joined the artillery it was because they were the closest unit to my house. At the time I knew absolutely nothing about the trade. So, I was merely suggesting that perhaps more education about career options needs to be provided, and if that isn‘t the reason behind the trade choices, then I invite people to provide their reasons.

The intention of this thread was for information, education. Not for a flame war. My apologies go out to anyone I may have offended.
 
im having a little bit of trouble deciding which career to pick on my application fourm. I‘v done a fair bit of resarch into each, but the information i has able to get from the internet and the recrutment office was vauge at best. so I am woundering if any one might be able to give me any advice on which career i should choice.. infantry or combat engineer.
Thanks for your time.

also can a combat engineer take the sniper course?
 
Sorry if this is the wrong forum to post, i didn't want to post in the armoured section and have no engineers read it and vice versa.
wondering if you guys and girls could answer a future soldier a question? I've just applied for either 011 or 043 (reg) and am still torn between the two trades :crybaby: one day i wanna go for armoured and the next engineer.
wondering if you could maybe just give me a little info on your daily routine (when not on ex or tour).
and if you had any thoughts on what i should go for? which one, through experience would you think more exciting (i know both have their + and - but still...l)
didn't know whether to post this as a thread? i know someone already has but it is reserves.
i know this is a pretty broad topic, but please help me out if you can.
thanks :salute:
 
Go Engr, get to 1 CER then work your way into Armd Tp and run Bridgelayers or Badgers. Badda bing now you got both choices! :salute:
 
aesop081 said:
Engineers : FIRST IN, LAST OUT !

I thought it was Armoured Recce that had a copyright on the phrase "First in, last out."  At least it sure sounded like it at the regiment.

Go with engineers. More variety in employment and the chance of learning something that may be useful in the real world.
 
Funny, watching you guys is like watching two guys argue over a Lada and a Yugo.

Son, you should have put 031 on that application - everyone else is just support.  ;)
 
Infanteer said:
Funny, watching you guys is like watching two guys argue over a Lada and a Yugo.

Son, you should have put 031 on that application - everyone else is just support.   ;)

I disagree infanteer but....well said anyways !!

cheers

 
Have your tried looking at the Army Recruiting Website? Gives out all the info about that stuff(what they do, their courses, etc)


http://www.recruiting.forces.gc.ca/engraph/army/jobs_e.aspx


Armour
What They Do

Each Armoured Soldier belongs to one of the Armoured regiments of the Canadian Army, and serves as a member of the crew of an armoured fighting vehicle (AFV). His or her primary duties are to operate and maintain the AFV, its weapon systems (ballistic computers, laser range-finders and thermal sights as well as guns) and its communication equipment (sophisticated radars andradios). Armoured Soldiers are trained to fight as members of theCombat Arms team, which also includes the Infantry, the Artillery and the Combat Engineers. Armoured Soldiers begin their career with one of two types of AFV: the tank or the reconnaissance (recce) vehicle.


Infantry
What They Do

Each Infantry Soldier belongs to one of the Infantry regiments of the Canadian Army, some of which bear battle honours more than a century old. As the Army's primary war-fighters and the core of the Combat Arms team, Infantry Soldiers are responsible for closing with and destroying the enemy. Supported by the Artillery, regiments of Armour and the Combat Engineers, Infantry Soldiers are capable of operating anywhere in the world in any environment â ” Arctic tundra, mountains, jungle or desert â ” and in any combination of arms, including airmobile and amphibious operations.


Combat Engineer

What They Do
Combat Engineers are members of the Military Engineer branch of can live, move and fight on the battlefield, and deny the same abilities to enemy troops. They also perform duties in aid of the civil power and civil authority; participate in peace-support operations; perform construction and maintenance tasks in support of the CF and other government organizations; drive and operate vehicles and equipment in support of Engineer Operations; and maintain field installations and facilities.
 
Research is the key, all cbt arms trades have similiar qualities and many differences. Have a look at a few reserve websites also, they can give you some examples of what they do.

SHARP WO
 
recceguy said:
Sorry, I don't see it that way. I don't know him and his general comments about the whole Armoured Corps being"scorned" idiots was offensive and uncalled for. If he was joking, so be it, he should learn internet protocol and identify his comments as such. Kinda like the little winking icon I used? Until such time I'll stand by my comments, and too bad about your buddy. Besides he seems like a big boy and was able to laugh off my comments, he doesn't seem like the type that needs your protection.

Just to jump in here- giong through the recruiting process (i.e. sitting around and waiting and waiting), I can tell you that the Corps you choose is an intensely personal decision.  Each have very strong selling points, some similar opportunities, as well as unique aspects.  Truth is, you'll never fully realize what they do until you do it- so get some info from the units, make a decision, and ruck on!

BTW, I'm an engineer by trade and education, and decided to go Armour. 

Cheers!
 
"BTW, I'm an engineer by trade and education, and decided to go Armour.  "

Excellent Choice  8)
 
Be certin you know what your getting into. I just returned from Coral Jump in B.C. the longest running ex in the CF(Mo or Reg). Its a brigde camp for engineers.all you do is lift bridge parts into place for 5 days.(as a side note 8 bay double story MBG put up, jacked down and decked in 130mins with 26ppl) It gets tiring. Combat Engineers do hard jobs that are all to often overlooked by other trades b/c the jobs get bypassed alot. Oh well a minefield will slow down the ex so were DSing it, no no no that boobytrap will slow down our attack it doesnt matter if it goes off etc etc etc. I heard many of these as i am sure all engineers have many times before while working with the infantry in particular(not to pick at you guys but we dont useally roll with the armoured in MO ex's and well we never really see the arty). Being a engineer not only requires hard work but also putting up with the fact that alot of the time your overlooked so the infantry can get their training while you and your section are left in company HQ and after the attack in the AAR you find out that 4 BT's were hit and its ok b/c the attack was a success and those 4 BT's really didnt kill any of the infantry. So ya engineers= hard work but it aso equals even harder tasks. Not going nuts when excersises that are planed for 5 or 6 months and then its completely obvious that the engineer role was thrown in at the last min(once again talking from the Mo perspective and mind you these r on the Birgade run ex's not unit ex's) ok my rant is done
 
Roko, can you condense the drive and enthusiasm that you have into a pill?
Cheers, JF
 
2FERSapper said:
as a side note 8 bay double story MBG put up, jacked down and decked in 130mins with 26ppl)

If this was meant to be impressive then....

My QL3 ( 9302) in Chilliwack, 8-bay DS MGB, jacked down , ramped and decked.....90 mins, 24 people......
 
Don't quote me but wasn't the guys that got caught in the Medak Pocket something like 50-60% reservists from across Canada?
 
Joining reserves this summer...

Just wondering which to choose; Infantry or Armoured Soldier?
Any input would be great  :D
 
Have a look through some of the forums here and see.  We have covered everything that you have asked in threads here already.
 
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