Continental Defence Corvette

[Kirkhill]

I guess the Irish have become a bit more fragile in recent years.

"A combined physical and cyberattack on a critical electricity transformer would cause “grid collapse” within two hours, impact critical services within six hours, and threaten “social collapse” in just 48 hours, according to experts from the Defence Forces."

Hybrid attack on Ireland's critical infrastructure 'could cause social collapse within 48 hours'

Defence Forces experts said it was “likely” that adversaries have already conducted an intelligence operation identifying vulnerabilities in Ireland’s electricity grid and other critical sectors

www.irishexaminer.com

 

[Halifax Tar]

I guess the Irish have become a bit more fragile in recent years.

"A combined physical and cyberattack on a critical electricity transformer would cause “grid collapse” within two hours, impact critical services within six hours, and threaten “social collapse” in just 48 hours, according to experts from the Defence Forces."

Hybrid attack on Ireland's critical infrastructure 'could cause social collapse within 48 hours'

Defence Forces experts said it was “likely” that adversaries have already conducted an intelligence operation identifying vulnerabilities in Ireland’s electricity grid and other critical sectors

www.irishexaminer.com

Is your insinuation the Canada is better situated infrastructurally, and socially to withstand a prolonged collapse of our power grid ?

 

[Kirkhill]

Is your insinuation the Canada is better situated infrastructurally, and socially to withstand a prolonged collapse of our power grid ?

I lived in BC for 15 years. Long enough to convince me that I needed a back up to the grid. And long enough to convince me that a society built on wires is unnecessarily beholden to central control and the opposite of resilient.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I lived in BC for 15 years. Long enough to convince me that I needed a back up to the grid. And long enough to convince me that a society built on wires is unnecessarily beholden to central control and the opposite of resilient.

Collapse the power gird in Jan and see how fast people flee.

 

[GK .Dundas]

It alway amazed me the number of Manitoba Hydro employees who owned emergency backup generators.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Collapse the power gird in Jan and see how fast people flee.

In 1998, one and a half million of us here in Quebec lived without electricity, for up to 30 days, in the middle of winter. It was called the Ice Storm of 1998. Society did not collapse. You have had general power failures of 24 to 48 hours in Toronto before, Society did not collapse. There are many storms that cause power to be lost for days and sometimes weeks regularly happening in Canada. Society does not collapse.

I think the Irish Defence Force is exaggerating what you need to cause social collapse. In Ireland, I would think such collapse more likely to occur as a result of running out of beer and whisky than prolonged power failure.

 

[GK .Dundas]

I could make Winnipeg utterly uninhabitable by hitting 4 different targets in February.
I won't say where and how but it's easy enough to figure out.
Actually this country is filled with disturbingly soft targets .

 

[childs56]

Would we not be in a good situation to make Gun Ships? Mount multiple Sky Ranger type systems through out a hull. Have two to three on the stern, two midships and two forward with the main gun? We could produce the entire system domestically here at Home. Then provide a old new school air defense platform. Add the VLS with some medium to long range missiles and we might have a winner.
Set each Turret up to be independent of the others but also feed the info to the main Combat system. That way you can fire manually or automatic.
Build twelve plus of these anti drone/ missile ships with the cheaper gun systems and send them escorting.
Then build a few mine sweepers packages and we have a pretty good overall package with the new Destroyers and supply ships coming on line.
I wonder if the AOPs could be fitted with a a few of the Sky Ranger systems and be used for more then patrol?
I think Canada can has the tech and capability to build an entire system domestically.

Just throwing some thoughts out there, no need to get your snickers out of joint.....

 

[Halifax Tar]

In 1998, one and a half million of us here in Quebec lived without electricity, for up to 30 days, in the middle of winter. It was called the Ice Storm of 1998. Society did not collapse. You have had general power failures of 24 to 48 hours in Toronto before, Society did not collapse. There are many storms that cause power to be lost for days and sometimes weeks regularly happening in Canada. Society does not collapse.

I think the Irish Defence Force is exaggerating what you need to cause social collapse. In Ireland, I would think such collapse more likely to occur as a result of running out of beer and whisky than prolonged power failure.

That is not what the Irish Defence Force were talking about.

Ice storm '98 is not the same as a terrorist attack.

 

[dapaterson]

I could make Winnipeg utterly uninhabitable by hitting 4 different targets in February.
I won't say where and how but it's easy enough to figure out.
Actually this country is filled with disturbingly soft targets .

Bold of you to assume that Winnipeg is habitable at any time.

 

[tomydoom]

I think the Irish Defence Force is exaggerating what you need to cause social collapse. In Ireland, I would think such collapse more likely to occur as a result of running out of beer and whisky than prolonged power failure.

Well Ireland is particularly non-resilient. This is what my local Tesco looked like after Dublin received 6cm of snow in 2018

 

[PrairieFella]

I could make Winnipeg utterly uninhabitable by hitting 4 different targets in February.
I won't say where and how but it's easy enough to figure out.
Actually this country is filled with disturbingly soft targets .

Any city on the planet is about 4 tagrets away from knocking out power grids. Theres nothing disturbing about infrastructure being "soft" when we've been at peace in Canada since the 40s and even then, that maxxed out at a couple U-Boats making it to the St Lawrence. Hardening all our infrastructure would be a waste of money.

 

[Kirkhill]

This is two weeks worth of warm rooms, hot water, Sunday roasts, apple pies and cream sponges.
It is a coal bunker in 1960s Britain. The coal man came every couple of weeks to fill it up. And you sent your five year old out in the rain to fill the coal scuttle from it.

The coal didn't run away. It didn't gas off. It didn't stink. It was still usable even when wet.
Unlike oil you didn't have to worry about rusty containers and noxious and flammable vapours.
But at least with oil you could store two weeks of hot showers.

I challenge anyone to show me how to store two weeks worth of energy as either natural gas or electricity at a price comparable to that bunker of coal. And store it as safely.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Collapse the power gird in Jan and see how fast people flee.

In Vancouver, you have little chance of fleeing, not counting the US, there are only 3 roads out of the city and they cannot support that much traffic.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

In Vancouver, you have little chance of fleeing, not counting the US, there are only 3 roads out of the city and they cannot support that much traffic.

But doesn't everyone have a canoe or a kayak?