Continental Defence Corvette

[suffolkowner]

So it will cost more than 100 MCAD and more than two years to supply a Corvette.

what did we pay for the AOPS? the OFSV?

 

[Underway]

what did we pay for the AOPS? the OFSV?

Too much. But I suspect it will be worth it.

($4.98 billion for six, $2.1 billion for the two CCG variant costs) Remember accrual accounting, that's not sail away price, its the lifetime costs.

 

[Rainbow1910]

what did we pay for the AOPS? the OFSV?

There are our program figures to look at however without a substantially detailed breakdown of all of the costs alongside taking into consideration the industrial situation around building the aforementioned vessels, it's basically impossible to get a figure you can use to compare to foreign designs for a "sticker price".

 

[Kirkhill]

There are our program figures to look at however without a substantially detailed breakdown of all of the costs alongside taking into consideration the industrial situation around building the aforementioned vessels, it's basically impossible to get a figure you can use to compare to foreign designs for a "sticker price".

And the time factor is still an issue, as it is for our allies. We have a peace time jobs program that benefits the CAF. We don't have a program capable of responding to the needs of conflict. As the RAF's Air Marshall said, 2035 got here faster than expected.

 

[Navy_Pete]

Too much. But I suspect it will be worth it.

($4.98 billion for six, $2.1 billion for the two CCG variant costs) Remember accrual accounting, that's not sail away price, its the lifetime costs.

Uh, not really, most of that was the costs paid to shipyards for the design, build and delivery, plus sparing, significant IP considerations with the tech data (which isn't cheap) and some other things related to the actual ship. It also included development and delivery of training, infrastructure (schools/jetties) and a number of other things. And 30% contingency.

The ISSC costs will easily exceed that for O&M, and crewing will be another big chunk. Lifetime costs are probably 4-5 times initial capitol costs, and that goes up very quickly again when you start operating past the effective end of life (like the current $1B CPF DWPs).

 

[FSTO]

The ISSC costs will easily exceed that for O&M, and crewing will be another big chunk. Lifetime costs are probably 4-5 times initial capitol costs, and that goes up very quickly again when you start operating past the effective end of life (like the current $1B CPF DWPs).

Do you think we'll learn from allowing the Cadillac's, then the AOR's, followed by the 280's, and now the CPF's to rot past their BBD before they're replaced?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Too much. But I suspect it will be worth it.

($4.98 billion for six, $2.1 billion for the two CCG variant costs) Remember accrual accounting, that's not sail away price, its the lifetime costs.

Thankfully, much of the yard capitalization and personal skillsets have been built up during those initial contracts. The CDC program will benefit from an experienced design group and experienced sub-contractors, even if built partly in outside yards.

 

[KevinB]

Do you think we'll learn from allowing the Cadillac's, then the AOR's, followed by the 280's, and now the CPF's to rot past their BBD before they're replaced?

Well given it’s the RCN, a resounding no

 

[Cloud Cover]

The issue that concerns me is how fast can Canada change its circumstances. It concerns me that every program under discussion involves a 2035 start line.

What can be done in the near term? Dollars aren't the issue brcause dollars won't advance the timeline significantly on any of our big ticket projects.

Previously the RCN bought some used oil rig supply and support ships and modified them to a specific non-combat use. I guess if there is a genuine urgent need the RCN will find something to adapt and modify. But it won’t be pretty or fancy and won’t be anything beyond marginally not useless.