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Continental Defence Corvette

Underway said:
CDC has gone back the drawing board. I expect we're going to see a CDF.
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Makes sense. I couldn't see meeting the requirements listed for the CDC on less than 2500 tons. Easier to work the package into something around 3500 tons that will be more comfortable for the crew and ride better in the stormy waters we Canadians sail. Doesn't have to have more crew (maybe a little), just a little bigger for sea worthiness for the equipment they want those ships to have. Still not as large as the HAL or IRO's, though.
 
DBNSG said:
So a modernized Halifax with an 8 cell MK 41 for 32 ESSM's and much smaller aviation facilities
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I'm not sure what they are thinking but my guess is a proper GP frigate to replace the HFX. That would probably mean the RCD program is not going as well as hoped (an example of a long lead challenge might be they don't think they would get 9 RCD by 2040, just speculating).

Of course who would build what is the open questions. We'll have to wait out to see what they come up with. Topshee though giving us some exciting speculation also showed a bit too much how the sausage is made. CDC going back to the drawing board isn't a surprise.
 
Underway said:
I'm not sure what they are thinking but my guess is a proper GP frigate to replace the HFX. That would probably mean the RCD program is not going as well as hoped (an example of a long lead challenge might be they don't think they would get 9 RCD by 2040, just speculating).

Of course who would build what is the open questions. We'll have to wait out to see what they come up with. Topshee though giving us some exciting speculation also showed a bit too much how the sausage is made. CDC going back to the drawing board isn't a surprise.
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I also saw online that mobile arctic base is being binned as well possibily.
 
Stoker said:
I also saw online that mobile arctic base is being binned as well possibily.
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Given that the Government has signed contracts for both Polars as well as the six new Program Ice Breakers that are all far larger than their replacements, perhaps the available ice breaking tonnage support capacity will be delivered from a Red Hull.
 
Underway said:
I'm not sure what they are thinking but my guess is a proper GP frigate to replace the HFX. That would probably mean the RCD program is not going as well as hoped (an example of a long lead challenge might be they don't think they would get 9 RCD by 2040, just speculating).

Of course who would build what is the open questions. We'll have to wait out to see what they come up with. Topshee though giving us some exciting speculation also showed a bit too much how the sausage is made. CDC going back to the drawing board isn't a surprise.
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A 3500DWT vessel is going to definitely eat the RCD lunch and policymakers will not see the difference or benefits of the RCD's, just the costs.
 
Ohh boy!!! Echo's of the General Purpose Frigate of the early 1960's. Good lord, I really hope we don't go down that path again!
Will not be surprised at all if we did though.

The General Purpose Frigate (GPF) program was a Cold War project by the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN) to build 8 multi-role warships to replace aging Second World War–era Tribal-class destroyers. [1]


Key Details of the GPF Program
    • Purpose: Designed for a balanced fleet concept—combining anti-submarine warfare (ASW) capability with modern air-defence guided missiles and shore-bombardment guns. [1, 2]
    • Planned Fleet: 8 ships approved in March 1962 under the Diefenbaker government. [1, 2]
    • Cancellation: Cancelled on October 24, 1963, by Minister of National Defence Paul Hellyer under the Pearson government as part of defense budget cuts and force restructuring. [1, 2, 3]
    • Legacy: Parts of the unbuilt GPF design were later modified and used to develop the Iroquois-class destroyers. [1]

Technical Specifications (Planned)
    • Displacement: ~3,551 tons (normal) / ~4,700 tons (deep load)
    • Length: ~423 feet (128.9 m)
    • Beam: ~50 feet (15.2 m)
    • Speed: 30 knots
    • Armament: Twin 5-inch/54 calibre Mk 42 gun, RIM-24 Tartar surface-to-air missile system, and ASW torpedo tubes. [1]
 
In 1910 the RCN bought the 11000 ton Niobe and the 3500 ton Rainbow. Neither on contributed materially to the defence of Canada or its shores.

Both allowed Canada to literally show the flag and take part in the Imperial Navy.

Somethings never change.

Actual patrol of the coasts was a matter for the Department of Marine and Fisheries.

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You lot keep pricing yourselves out of the market. You keep piling on the toys.
 
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