Counter surveillance - counter intelligence - counter espionage

[The Jedi Monk]

Hi

I’m currently looking for an intelligence operator who may know information about this school.

Professional Development TSCM Group Inc.

Link http://www.pdtg.ca/TSS001.htm

I am probably going on this course soon; I was just looking for references for this school.

I have the money and all the work done I just need to make sure this course is worth while.

Counter surveillance - counter espionage - counter inteligence  has been my dream for many years
Can the CF use this type of trade?

 

[George Wallace]

Counter-Intelligence in the CF is a role of the Military Police, not the Intelligence Branch.

 

[The Jedi Monk]

Hi

I posted twice by accident. Normally in most of the forums I belong to all new posts started at the top. I did not see this and could not find my post. I am new to this site.  My mistake. Thank your for removing it. I will not make the same mistake twice.

Maybe three times though.

These are the tools of the trade

Link
http://www.research-electronics.com/cgi-bin/main.cgi

I phoned this supplier and he says that DND is his biggest employer and that he
Goes to CFS Leitrim every week which I googled and came up with

CFS Leitrim Canada's oldest operational signal intelligence collection station

The problem I have is that after the course I will need to acquire hours to become a master at this.
It would be nice to work for the CF and log hours instead of a PI firm on the side as a second job.

So OK what I am looking for is someone who has taken this type of training in the CF

Thanks

 

[The Jedi Monk]

ok corection to my last.

It would be nice to work for the CF and loging my hours needed in the new trade, instead of doing what I do now for the CF and working for a firm on the side as a second job.

 

[blacktriangle]

Maybe you want to be in Comms Research then, unless you already are, and then I'm just not sure what to say.

 

[George Wallace]

Killing with Keyboards

 

[The Jedi Monk]

I was just looking for references for this school.

Does anyone have any information on this school?

Is it worth the money I'm paying?

 

[garb811]

In line with what George is hinting anyone who does this won't talk to you about it.  'nuf said on that.

For that company...some pretty...interesting...claims being made by the two "public" personas there, IMHO.  I'd like to know what Military and Embassies/Consulates they are doing work for as I know it's not us.  As for police forces, if you can setup technical surveillance you can do your own counter surveillance.  The course outlines are deliberately vague and are way too short to give you any kind of real understanding of why you're doing what you're doing.  Although I'm not a technical inspector I have worked with them, and 120 hours was probably about the amount of accumulated coffee break time they had on their courses prior to being put to work.  Also interesting to note that they'll be more than happy to take your money to do a sweep of an automobile...wow...just...wow!  Looking at their propoganda for their actual services and they're claiming a 41% success rate...impressive to say the least but, come on!

Compulsory equipment purchases, compulsory yearly required training...money, money, money!

It is also interesting to note that what they are passing off as "Our Resident Training Center" is actually the NavCanada facility.  A little bit of plagarizing going on to boot:

From the webstie you provided:

Our Resident Training Centre (RTC) is more than just the largest conference centre in South-Eastern Ontario, it is a state-of-the-art learning centre, designed with the success of our participants in mind.

From the NavCanada Conference Center site:

The NAV CANADA Training and Conference Centre is more than just the largest conference centre in south-eastern Ontario - it's an all-inclusive, state-of-the-art learning centre, designed with the success of your conference in mind.

If they're stretching the truth on that, what else are they playing fast and loose with? Your money but I certainly wouldn't be giving them any of mine...

 

[The Jedi Monk]

Mostly it is the militarys money I have to pay for room and bored.

Thanks for your input.

I'm sure that someone will talk to me about it. If not on this site then somewhere else.  I asked the school for it's reff's also.

I have never been to ottawa before.

Thanks

 

[The Jedi Monk]

I must say that the nav canada center online looks like a pretty sweet set up?

 

[medaid]

Mostly it is the militarys money I have to pay for room and bored.

Care to explain that one?

Nice DIN e-mail account... I guess you want everyone to be able to know who you are and where you are.

 

[garb811]

You come and ask:

I have the money and all the work done I just need to make sure this course is worth while.

Yet when someone tells you its a waste of money, you blow it off.  :

How can I make this any clearer...I know techs, I know how they work and I know a few basics about their training.  I have commented on a few flags a basic perusal of this group's website has raised and there are more there that I will not comment on in a public forum.  What you are going to achieve by taking this course is receive a nice piece of paper for your wall and hand over a big chunk of your money, even if it is only for transport, room and board.  I'm also surprised that you think you will receive any kind of CF funding as these guys are not an accredited institution nor is it in the interests of the CF.  If you're getting funding via the SCP and it has been approved then your PSO didn't look into this "career" very thoroughly.

I'll also say this again, nobody is going to talk to you about this line of work unless it is one of the "instructors" at the school or someone freelancing it on civie street.  None of the professionals will answer any questions from someone they don't know AND trust WITH the appropriate security clearance.

Yes, NavCanada is a pretty nice setup BUT what kind of training set up is that for this kind of stuff?  Is NavCanada going to let them (knowingly) tap the phone lines...NO!  Is NavCanada going to let them pop open a wall to plant a device...NO!  Is NavCanada going to give them access to their server rooms...NO!  Contrary to the line they are feeding you on the website, they DO NOT have purpose built classrooms or labs, they will be working with the stuff that NavCanada rents out to anyone and everyone.  You DO NOT get the training required to be proficient at this via an ad hoc setup.

These two guys may be good at what they do...hell, they must be to hit something on 41% of their jobs...but this "training" and "certification" they are offering smells wrong.  This is a money grab and once they hook you, you will always be paying to maintain your "certification" with few prospects for meaningful employment as a freelancer without a solid professional reputation.

 

[The Jedi Monk]

Sorry about the long wait on the reply.

I'm not worried about anyone knowing my email address.

The military endorsed the ilp already. Fist it went local then national then local then back to national then they endorsed it. took about three months

I'm frusterated because eveyone in my life has been putting down this dream of mine for the last 10 years.
You are not the first.

I have been a radio operator for 11 years now. Not all with the military. I have a major intrest in this.

I would rather have a course like this then remuster. Any recomendations?

People are talking to me about this job not just you guys.

 

[The Jedi Monk]

I'm new to the website not new to the WORLD

 

[aesop081]

I'm new to the website not new to the WORLD

:crybaby:

Then stop acting like a 6 year-old who didnt get a cookie when he wanted one. You asked for opinions, you got them. You didnt like those, thats not our problem.

 

[medaid]

I'm not worried about anyone knowing my email address.

But you should. Along with posting and linking pictures to your profile. It's just me, but I hate having my pictures taken when I'm in uniform. In fact I hate having my pictures taken period. Considering the line of work you want to get into, don't you think it's quite important to remain as discreet and faceless as possible? Keep in mind that we're not the only ones with CI capabilities. Surveillance and Counter abilities are not ours alone either.

I know people think PERSEC is silly, and in many cases it is. However, keep in mind of what you want to do, and treat your own info as per.

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

Care to explain that one?

Nice DIN e-mail account... I guess you want everyone to be able to know who you are and where you are.

Not to mention you possibly allow an "in" by others to flood your email account with spam or other potentially harmful crap :

 

[SweetNavyJustice]

If your deam job is counter-intelligence, counter-surv, etc, then put in an OT to MP, prove yourself to that branch and get proper training.  

Alternately, quit the CF and apply to CSIS.  On the www.jobs.gc.ca website, they are currently hiring surv ops and from the sounds of things that would make you happy.  

Taking a Mickey Mouse course from a questionable outfit is not going to give you credibility.  Anyone can rent out NAVCAN for their purposes so the course being there does little for its credibility.  Not to mention this companies 'window to the world' on the internet is a site that is pretty amateurish.  Yes that's being a bit picky and petty, but you should look at all angles.  

From the sounds of things, you've already made up your mind, so it doesn't really matter what people tell you on this site.  That said, take the course, have fun, at least it won't cost you much.  

It's not likely that your career manager is going to grant a NAVCOMM a posting to an MP det for getting your hours, nor would I suspect that the MP's would be all that interested in having you.  Your store bought training just won't be up to snuff.  

I'm rambling now, but if this truely is your dream the go to the professionals either in the CF or out.

 

[The Jedi Monk]

If anyone is acting like a six year old here it is you.

 

[Yrys]

If anyone is acting like a six year old here it is you.

You just prove yourself wrong.