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Disability decision letter

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konda said:
You are certainly entitled to your statement and opinion and I respect that.  No one is begging and if someone wanting to help someone wishes to, I think that is what its all about isn't it. I was contacted by someone on the forum and it was their choice to contact me and if they wish not to answer that is also their choice. I will not engage in my opinion of your comments as I would be very rude and ignorant by doing this. I do appreciate your feedback though and also appreciate that you took the time and interest in posting. If there is any other way I can help anyone please ask. This post is about information on a decision letter, if you want to discuss something else, I would be happy to visit your post to discuss it.
I would also like to point out that you are incorrect in stating we are not trying to help anyone. Look on the main page and you will see Koreankid left some information on VAC/SISIP tips trying to help others. I am also a Business Administrator and if anyone can use my knowledge please direct them to me, I would have no problem trying to help them the best I can. I am sure you just missed koreankids attempt to help others on Teagers post before you left your post here, that's ok, everyone makes mistakes. You have also have not read through this post very well as the information is not only for my uncle, it most likely will help others as well. Loachman also agrees earlier in the post. Maybe you had a bad day and I am helping you right now to vent. That's not a problem I will help anyone I can.I believe in paying it forward. I am just trying to help a veteran, and the only thing important is that we can help others with the information. Is there anything else I can help you with? Please Advise.

blackberet17 went above and beoyond to answer your Uncle's questions, and your vague posts.  Other than tht I see not reason for this thread.  Sorry, may seem harsh, but that is the truth.
 
Yes he and others sure have helped in that regards and they were all thanked for their help also. You must have missed that in the thread. I believe you are just mis understanding what we were trying to find out. It was nothing very major, just some information in regards to the formatting of a decision letter. It was my uncles mistake in telling people why he needed this information, but then again he was asked why in the post. If you think it is wrong to try and help a veteran or help others we both apologize for that. I think you misunderstood also that out of the 1200 that viewed that only 2 answered the original request for info on the formatting of the document. This was no reference that no one else helped or tried to help with other issues. The formatting of the document was the reason for the post, nothing else and yes 2 people have responded to that and it was appreciated. The other responses we knew already, however we were very thankful of the time and effort that all put in any ways. I think most people that have come on here have misunderstood what the thread is about. I should have posted and probably not my uncle.
We may have discovered something within VAC that may help a lot of others and we apologize again that you don't approve of this. If we ask for info from others, we feel we should at least explain why we are asking. This would only be right. But it seemed like when my uncle did, he was attacked early on in the thread. As you can see, he was called Kooky, he was told he needs meds, ect and I really don't think he deserved that. What spurred this I don't know, but maybe the people that did this should explain why they would possibly want to do this to someone who did nothing wrong to this point. Bin Rat sent me some info that has really helped. Moe really helped as well, but it hard to understand if you can't see a letter.I am sorry you feel that this thread is not important to you and again we both apologize that this thread doesn't meet your expectations as it was meant for the poster and others that it will help.  If you understood the thread better, I'm sure you might agree with the thread. The thread is only about the formatting of decision letters and absolutely nothing else. The Title should have been - Info needed on the formatting in decision letters. My uncle should then have replied to the person that wanted to know why he needed to know this, by just saying he wanted to make sure his was the same as everyone elses.
I think Loachman said it correct that asking about other decision letters isn't harming anyone and may also help someone.
Because you see no reason for the post doesn't concern me and really see no reason you need to tell me this. What concerns me is there are others on here that  are interested in helping someone with a request and there are others on here that really shouldn't be on this post if they aren't interested in- the formatting of  a decision document. If they are on here for any other reason, then it must be for their own personal agenda. Maybe they're bored and want to start something, lash out, I don't know. It's kind of like someone getting mad at someone for drinking Coke instead of Pepsi. There is a woman on an American veteran site that goes on threads and starts problems right away because she needs to be the center of attention. She even uses her real name on that site and a veteran said its because she needs self gratification. I pity that poor woman, someone should try to help her. It seems her head is swollen and no one wants to hurt her feelings by telling her this. One veteran even said on that site that she doesn't realize how destructive she is around others and many people just put up with her because she has psychological problems she can't help.
There are probably a lot of people on here that have emotional problems from what they have been through, and that is why I understand and don't respond ignorantly to them. I am sure they can't help it any more than my uncle can with his issues and age. Take care and thanks for responding. If you have any constructive information you would like to share in this post in regards to - Formatting of a decision letter, please enlighten us and the viewers. I read your story, and appreciate your service.
 
I can't copy it, but am willing to answer questions you might have.
 
Thank You Moe, very much appreciated for the time and effort you are showing. I'll try to be fairly quick so as to not take too much of your time. I will put the questions in numbered order if you could answer them in that order, that would be great. You
have 7 document pages in total. 3 from the payment officer, 3 are the decision letter, and a payment officer worksheet.

Payment officer documents
1- The first page would be your covering page with subject material describing your benefits/ no benefits? No page number on this.
2- Page 2 is instructions on filling out disability award options/Financial counselling/ changes to your conditions, ect? this page has page 2 on the top.
3.The final page is catagorized as CATAGORIES on the top left corner and the signature of the payment officer follows below?Page 3 is printed on top.

You can now look at the bottom of the first page and most likely will see ...2 in the lower right corner. Flip to page 2 and you will see ...3 and the final page has nothing. This is called what I was taught in law as page citing or page tattling.  This means page 1 is tattling that it is part of page 2. page 2 is tattling it is part of page 3 which is the signature page. What is missing is that page 1 with the important information on it isn't tattling that it goes with the signature page. to understand this please look at your application and you will notice all the pages that you filled out are tattling that each page is part of the signature page only. Meaning on your payment officer documents, your first page is not with the signature page. Thus the reason the signature is on its own separate page. If anything is different than I have stated please correct me so I know if we have any differences.

Decision Letter.
1The covering page is not numbered?
2Page 2 is numbered on top and your decision has been manipulated to end on this page not leaving room for a signature.
3Page 3 is a separate page that says For advice on options, you may contact... with the signature of the adjudicator below.
What I would like to know is do the bulleted items on the first 2 page have spaces between them or not. BinRats spacings were removed  so his decision ended on a full page and the signature is separate. My uncles has spacings added between all items to make it end on a full page with the signature on a separate page.
If you look at the bottom of your decision letter on each page, I am guessing there is no page tattling that page 1 and 2 are part of the signature page as our 2 documents aren't either. Now, I am not a conspirator, nor a snake oil salesman, as I have been labelled in the post. to confirm my suspicion's, I contacted VAC and asked them to send me a copy of the decision and payment officer documents as I told them that I misplaced mine. I was sent new documents with no signatures. No copies of the signatures exist on file, and correct me if I am wrong as my lawyer agrees that any legal documents signed by any government must have copies of the the signatures on file. Especially when the adjudicator is signing these documents on behalf of the minister of veterans affairs. So I emailed for over 2 1/2 months to get VAC to verify these documents and they wouldn't reply. I got my uncles ATIP files which included a newly signed adjudication which is not a copy of the original document which my lawyer says can't be done as there is only one original document and only a copy of this can be in the files.
What I need to know, was your disability approved or only partially approved or wasn't approved. As Bins wasn't and my uncles weren't we feel that a fair adjudication may have been done by the adjudicators, but someone else has done a new adjudication
and declined the disabilities and took the signature page from the approved adjudication and slipped it in with declined adjudication. This would make sense why the signature pages have been manipulated to be on their own so they could be used with another set of documents. This may be why VAC won't verify their documents, won't produce any copies of the signatures on file, and have no copies in the ATIP files of the original signature of the decision. I am not trying to sell you on this, but I went to my federal MP and asked them to send the documents to VAC for verification and they refused to do this. I wondered why and figure the MP is a PC and so is her colleage the VAC minister with the federal election coming wouldn't look good if there was fraud at VAC. I also asked VAC to send me a letter just to confirm that they sent the decision letter to my uncle and they refused. All the documents found in my uncles ATIP files are all unsigned documents, even the ones from internal pension officers. This is why we were trying to find out about others documents to see if ours were the same or not. We are taking the adjudicator to court as we feel that this is her signature but we don't think this is her adjudication that it was fabricated  and sent with her signature page from the adjudication she did. All fair adjudication legislation and the right to procedural fairness have been ignored and this would mean the adjudicator would be liable for this in civil court and why we suspect that this isn't her adjudication that was sent with her signature page. Office workers get huge performance bonuses based on percentage of the money they take from the adjudications. we are waiting for court to see if the adjudicator says this her adjudication, if not we are going to the RCMP to have a fraud investigation done. thanks again, your information makes a big difference and if we are right, it will help many many people. By the way, I don't have a big ego as someone has posted, I was educated as a business administrator where I was specifically trained in legal documentation where we were taught to pick out inconsistencies in all forms of documentation and I am using this knowledge to help others at my own time and expense. 
 
konda

Reading your posts, and that of your father, are like reading the fine print at the bottom of an advertisement for cars.  My eyes just can't handle that much small print, so I ignore it.
 
Certainly that is why you took the time to come on here and waste your time posting. Nothing to add for anyones benefit just a bunch of hot air with no where to release it. I see you use your name online like the woman veteran in the usa. are you sure you didn't change your name and move to Canada. I see you may be a little illiterate as it is my uncle not my dad. I left a needle at the end of this thread for you to pop your swollen head. when your done using the needle to pop the swollen head take the thread and sew your mouth shut.
 
Reel yourself in there Konda.
George is right, your post is almost impossible to read.  We like to use proper paragraphs and punctuation here on army.ca.

I can assure you Mr. Wallace has lots of time in our military and if you wish to further engage in getting help here you will suck back and reload.

Thank you,
Bruce
army.ca staff
 
I think he could have probably said it in a nicer way, or mabe you don't do that at army.ca
 
I noticed it is alright for your staff to come on this thread such as John T and be pretty ignorant to people and there is nothing wrong with that. I have the info I need so tell George to lend the needle to John and whats left of the thread and follow the instructions. take care and thanks to all who have helped. Army experience doesn't garner respect the man does.
 
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