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DND Scrambles to Fill Up to 5,000 Civilian Jobs- Article 12/ May/07

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http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2007/05/12/4174981-cp.html

Defence Department scrambles to fill up to 5,000 civilian jobs

By MURRAY BREWSTER

OTTAWA (CP) - Faced with a wave of impending baby boomer retirements within the next year, Canada's Defence Department has launched an aggressive campaign to recruit between 3,000 and 5,000 new civilian employees.
Between now and the beginning of the next fiscal year in April 2008, the department is facing the potential loss of 13 per cent of its 23,000 strong non-military workforce, some of them in critical areas such as ship repair.

It is the tip of a generational transition that's about to hit the entire public service.
To attract replacements, the Department of National Defence has produced a glossy new brochure that seems to have unintentionally ruffled feathers elsewhere in the civil service.

A few lines in the flyer left the impression with some senior public servants that National Defence was prepared to poach employees from other federal departments.
A civilian spokesman for the department, Robert Newman, denied the aim was to recruit from other branches of government.
"There's competition in the labour market, that's a given," Newman said in an interview. "Our intended market is outside of public service as it exists."

Last fall, the Privy Council Office - the federal bureaucracy's nerve-centre - asked for a copy of the brochure, which emphasized the wide variety of career choices at defence.
The draft copy of the advertisement was accompanied by a letter, from the assistant deputy minister in human resources who was responsible for civilian employees, said the brochure "targets civilian public servants."

The document was obtained by the NDP under access to information laws.
The misconception was later corrected internally and the brochure began appearing at Service Canada centres, but it will receive even wider distribution in the coming weeks when it starts showing up at job fairs across the country.
"We're looking to be proactive and replace those individual jobs by attracting new potential public servants," said Newman.

A few weeks ago, Auditor General Sheila Fraser chastised the Foreign Affairs Department, suggesting it was ill-prepared to handle the anticipated exodus.
The defence department's aggressive posture concerns NDP defence critic Dawn Black, who is worried federal departments will start climbing over each other to attract new staff.
"I guess it brings to mind, why do we have a public service commission?" she asked, referring to the central agency that co-ordinates federal hiring.

But Newman denied the department is trying to usurp the public service commission, saying all recruits will still be processed through that agency.
Roughly 3,000 civilian Defence Department employees are eligible to retire this year, which is likely the biggest exodus the department has seen in decades.

There are another potential 2,000 job openings in the current year, but many of those positions are linked to new programs or services that have yet to be finalized. Filling those positions is not a certainty, said Newman.
By far, the biggest concern is the looming shortage of skilled tradespeople, such as welders and other craftsman who populate the navy's dockyards in Halifax and Esquimalt, B.C.

One of the largest hurdles civilian recruiters face at job fairs in the misconception brought about by the name of the department.
"When most people think of Defence, they think of military and wearing a uniform and carrying a weapon," said Newman.
"We're talking about civilian support, non-uniformed personnel, who work behind the scenes."


Hmmm, Mike, I think they need to do some paid advertising here.... ;D

Seriously, I think lots of places are going to have these problems in a few years, well exept for our manufacturer's, because they are all heading to Mexico
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Maybe it would be great to be "retiring" from the Forces in the next year or two.  Depending on one's qualifications, they may be able to get a good position.....
 
Openings in the public service are filled either internally (current PS members, with some CF members sometimes eligible to apply) or externally.
External competitions are announced at:

http://www.jobs-emplois.gc.ca/menu/home_e.htm

 
PMedMoe said:
Maybe it would be great to be "retiring" from the Forces in the next year or two.  Depending on one's qualifications, they may be able to get a good position.....

Several years ago the Public Service union(s) persuaded the government-of-the-day (I cannot remember if it was Con or Lib) to rescind the veteran's preference (or whatever it was called) which gave appropriately qualified military personnel (with medals, I think) first call on (some?) PS jobs.

The system was instituted after World War II to allow returning vets to 'catch up' with those who had taken good, secure PS jobs and had advanced in the PS during the war.  It was an early example of reverse discrimination no different, in principle, from 'advantages' given to women, aboriginals, the disabled, etc, etc, etc.

It, like all reverse discrimination systems, offends the merit principle.

The British had (maybe still have) a much better system.  They reserve many positions for 'retired members' - based on qualifications.  In many, many parts of the MOD and down in units and bases you will see positions designated as, e.g. Colonel (RO).  That means that a board has determined that:

1. The job is best done by a civil servant; but

2. The job qualifications require a certain level of military service and accomplishment.

The Col (RO) job could be filled by a LCol, Col or BGen (-1 to +1) from the appropriate service or, in some cases from any service given the right qualifications - logistics, for example.

The advantage of the UK system was (is?) that it was bomb-proof - the PS unions didn't much like it but they couldn't challenge it on its merits.  The RO jobs were based on qualifications, not special status - there was no more discrimination, per se, than in, say, language or education qualifications.

I can assure you that 20ish years ago getting a just retired military officer into a civil service job was a labour worthy of Hercules.  The entire PS system was united in its goal of internal recruitment.
 
Well said, Mr. Campbell.  I didn't mean to insinuate that these positions be "held" for military retirees, just that if you had the qualifications, it might be a good time to apply.
 
PMedMoe said:
Well said, Mr. Campbell.  I didn't mean to insinuate that these positions be "held" for military retirees, just that if you had the qualifications, it might be a good time to apply.

Actually things have changed. we had a briefing a while back that outlined the new policies about preference to military members....can't remember all the details but it's there.  a lot of guys have slid into tech jobs with FMF over the years...especially ex stokers and CSE types as their expertise is needed.
 
IN HOC SIGNO said:
Actually things have changed. we had a briefing a while back that outlined the new policies about preference to military members....can't remember all the details but it's there.  a lot of guys have slid into tech jobs with FMF over the years...especially ex stokers and CSE types as their expertise is needed.

Again, they have the qualifications.  I also know of people who were retiring and essentially "created" their positions and stepped right into them.
 
I would think that this is a golden opportunity but of a different variety.  My impression is there's too much bureaucracy in general in government, and I think they should wait until people have left and then fill the positions that are actually missed.  A good time to do something in the name of efficiency but without hurting anyone since they're leaving anyway. 
 
Osotogari said:
I would think that this is a golden opportunity but of a different variety.  My impression is there's too much bureaucracy in general in government, and I think they should wait until people have left and then fill the positions that are actually missed.  A good time to do something in the name of efficiency but without hurting anyone since they're leaving anyway. 

Not a bad idea in theory but in reality it tends to be the worker bees that get cut while the bureaucrats hang in there. I grew up in Ottawa and saw this many times as my Mother worked for the Civil service as a worker bee.
 
The other difficulty is that it's far too easy to cut the long term planning folks, as their work outpuit isn't immediately visible.  So, in the mid 90s as DND/CF was reducing, one of the first groups to get cut were those who did the long-range planning for personnel - what sort of intake was needed, where problems will arise, how to addres them... in short, the pople who are key to working out a downsizing...
 
Slow news day, this is the same problem in every Government department, half of my unit will retire in the next 3 years.
 
Osotogari said:
I would think that this is a golden opportunity but of a different variety.  My impression is there's too much bureaucracy in general in government, and I think they should wait until people have left and then fill the positions that are actually missed.  A good time to do something in the name of efficiency but without hurting anyone since they're leaving anyway. 

In a somewhat perverse way we did that, in NDHQ, in the '80s and '90s when we cut, cut and cut again.  Eventually we discovered where we had cut too deeply and where there was still "fat".  (Some fat was politically and/or administratively (by Act or regulation) protected and could not be cut, no matter how useless it might have been - likely still is.)

In the second last round of 10% cuts which came while I was still serving my directorate got a staff increase - which survived the next 10% cut, too!

Reorganizations, especially massive ones such as Gen. Hillier has imposed, promote empire building.  I guarantee that new fat is being created, as we speak, in the new structure.  A series of ruthless cuts will be needed in a few years.
 
E.R. Campbell said:
Reorganizations, especially massive ones such as Gen. Hillier has imposed, promote empire building.  I guarantee that new fat is being created, as we speak, in the new structure.  A series of ruthless cuts will be needed in a few years.

Here's an interesting question to ponder:  Of the Regular Force expansion to date, what portion of it has gone to the new command HQs in Ottawa?  You really don't want to know  ( :'( or maybe  :o or maybe even  :threat: )
 
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