DND warns capability of Canadian military and equipment is dropping

[daftandbarmy]

This is more of a CAF/GoC issue. The public sector attaches a level of importance to some of these certifications that isn't really warranted. Outside of Consulting, Finance/Banking, Govt, MBAs are not really required for high office.

I think the Military needs invest in its own programs that suit the profession of arms, like spending significantly more on War Colleges for Officers and enhancing the programs delivered to Senior NCOs.

So people should know how to do simple analytical functions, and prepare and present important business information for decision-making, without relying on clerks or other junior staff?

Absurd

 

[FJAG]

This is more of a CAF/GoC issue. The public sector attaches a level of importance to some of these certifications that isn't really warranted. Outside of Consulting, Finance/Banking, Govt, MBAs are not really required for high office.

I think the Military needs invest in its own programs that suit the profession of arms, like spending significantly more on War Colleges for Officers and enhancing the programs delivered to Senior NCOs.

Amen!

 

[dimsum]

the highlighted part shows common sense and respect for others....

Which should be a quality we all possess.

“Should” being the key word.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

So people should know how to do simple analytical functions, and prepare and present important business information for decision-making, without relying on clerks or other junior staff?

Absurd

The old CJCSC curriculum was pretty good and with a little modernization, would be excellent.

Amen!

It actually sets people up who are leaving with all the wrong ideas tbh. I see a lot of people wasting the VEB money on this stuff and then pounding their head against the wall when they can't get a decent paying job.

Most people should be pursuing an apprenticeship or skilled trade that they can pair with their Military experience. They will make a lot more money if they did.

 

[daftandbarmy]

The old CJCSC curriculum was pretty good and with a little modernization, would be excellent.

It actually sets people up who are leaving with all the wrong ideas tbh. I see a lot of people wasting the VEB money on this stuff and then pounding their head against the wall when they can't get a decent paying job.

Most people should be pursuing an apprenticeship or skilled trade that they can pair with their Military experience. They will make a lot more money if they did.

I asked one of the VPs at a Technical College where they got most of their students. He replied: UBC.

Alot of people do a 4 year degree, discover they can't find a job, then do two more years at BCIT in something that will pay the rent

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

I asked one of the VPs at a Technical College where they got most of their students. He replied: UBC.

Alot of people do a 4 year degree, discover they can't find a job, then do two more years at BCIT in something that will pay the rent

About half my employees have a BA.

 

[dimsum]

About half my employees have a BA.

I can’t remember who said it, but I distinctly remember someone saying that a Bachelors degree is this generation’s High School diploma. In that most doors are closed to you unless you have it.

My brother-in-law has a diploma and does well, but he has an obvious glass ceiling bc he doesn’t have a degree, in a field that you absolutely don’t need a degree in.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

I can’t remember who said it, but I distinctly remember someone saying that a Bachelors degree is this generation’s High School diploma. In that most doors are closed to you unless you have it.

My brother-in-law has a diploma and does well, but he has an obvious glass ceiling bc he doesn’t have a degree, in a field that you absolutely don’t need a degree in.

It's basically a prerequisite to almost all management positions at any company you go to. At my employer, you can become a frontline supervisor without a degree but anything above that and you will need to upskill.

It's a common theme in my industry for the trades to shit on junior management and if I had a nickel for every old timer who thought they should be an immediate promo to Superintendent, I'd be rich.

I have a younger guy here that I am grooming for management. He is a smart kid and wants to go places. I've let him tag along with me a couple of times on his days off to see what I do and also walked him through some of the technology I use.

He was shocked at the amount of data analysis and varied computer work I have to do. I told him University is what prepared me to be able to do this given the amount of reports and information I have to compile on a daily basis.

I think University prepares you in a number of ways for this type of work:

1. It is an environment that forces you to generate a lot product output (aka assignments) in a compressed period of time so there is a built in stress inoculation component.
2. It also forces you to do a lot of that work on your own time and you are responsible for your own schedule. They don't care when or how you do it, they just care that it gets done.
3. What you studied is mostly immaterial, just that you do something and demonstrate your ability to achieve an outcome (get a degree).

It's almost like it was purpose built to train and generate a managerial class for the industrial revolution

 

[Infanteer]

If you can manage the basket weaving, you can manage the train line....

 

[Grimey]

I asked one of the VPs at a Technical College where they got most of their students. He replied: UBC.

Alot of people do a 4 year degree, discover they can't find a job, then do two more years at BCIT in something that will pay the rent

That’s nothing new. I have a high school pal who did a chemistry degree at Western, then had to do two years at Sheridan to learn how to apply it practically. This was almost forty years ago. It’s also a side effect of HS guidance councillors pushing uni over anything else. I wonder if they still do?

 

[Grimey]

I can’t remember who said it, but I distinctly remember someone saying that a Bachelors degree is this generation’s High School diploma. In that most doors are closed to you unless you have it.

My brother-in-law has a diploma and does well, but he has an obvious glass ceiling bc he doesn’t have a degree, in a field that you absolutely don’t need a degree in.

Regards today’s Uni vs. yesterday’s HS: When my daughter was taking her B.Ed at UVic, she gave me a general rundown of the course curriculum. My circa 1985 Grade 13 course load was more challenging.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I asked one of the VPs at a Technical College where they got most of their students. He replied: UBC.

Alot of people do a 4 year degree, discover they can't find a job, then do two more years at BCIT in something that will pay the rent

Exactly why we are going that route with my youngest.

 

[Cloud Cover]

What’s rediculous is trying to relate equipment failures and DEI hiring practices. No one’s missing parts because we’re trying to recruit minorities. We’re missing parts because of bad contracts and a 1 billion dollar cut to our budget.

True, DEI never stopped an enemy from getting what they have coming, but perhaps if they added meat to the bones of the argument- that spending 570million$ over 9 years berating everybody as a bigoted racist hasn’t actually resulted in the repair of a single piece of kit. Fine that’s apples and oranges as budget line items and we all understand that.

It then follows that this comes down to priorities of what should be fully funded (as opposed to chopped) as a priority in a very financially stressed military organization that a government already seems ideologically opposed to supporting - yet the same government is also curiously fully onboard with culturally changing. It’s mixed messages about practical priorities and symptomatic of very poor executive management at DND that seems to invite - for several decades - crass ideo-political intervention.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

In a well funded military with a clear mission as a war fighting organization, the DEI stuff would be a minor irritant. But with a mission set floundering around, constant cutbacks, shortages of kit, moldy barracks, not enough housing, things like tampon dispensers and constant focus on DEI, even to the point where the visible minorities are trying to hide from the PAO, they become lightening rods for all of the dissatisfaction of the serving personal.

 

[daftandbarmy]

It's basically a prerequisite to almost all management positions at any company you go to. At my employer, you can become a frontline supervisor without a degree but anything above that and you will need to upskill.

It's a common theme in my industry for the trades to shit on junior management and if I had a nickel for every old timer who thought they should be an immediate promo to Superintendent, I'd be rich.

I have a younger guy here that I am grooming for management. He is a smart kid and wants to go places. I've let him tag along with me a couple of times on his days off to see what I do and also walked him through some of the technology I use.

He was shocked at the amount of data analysis and varied computer work I have to do. I told him University is what prepared me to be able to do this given the amount of reports and information I have to compile on a daily basis.

I think University prepares you in a number of ways for this type of work:

1. It is an environment that forces you to generate a lot product output (aka assignments) in a compressed period of time so there is a built in stress inoculation component.
2. It also forces you to do a lot of that work on your own time and you are responsible for your own schedule. They don't care when or how you do it, they just care that it gets done.
3. What you studied is mostly immaterial, just that you do something and demonstrate your ability to achieve an outcome (get a degree).

It's almost like it was purpose built to train and generate a managerial class for the industrial revolution

Sly nails it

 

[dimsum]

In a well funded military with a clear mission as a war fighting organization, the DEI stuff would be a minor irritant. But with a mission set floundering around, constant cutbacks, shortages of kit, moldy barracks, not enough housing, things like tampon dispensers and constant focus on DEI, even to the point where the visible minorities are trying to hide from the PAO, they become lightening rods for all of the dissatisfaction of the serving personal.

The US military would disagree.