Door Gunner

[brihard]

This seems to be a reg f vs reserve flame out again.

Nah, not really. More, I think, an honest look at capabilities and effective use of manpower.

Most regs I've run into don't have this sense of entitlement; they just have jobs to do and do them. The problems lie, these days, with individuals- I don't think it's particularly systemic anymore. There are plenty of dickheads in the reserves, too.

Let's try to get it back on track. We've got an interesting conversation going.

 

[George Wallace]

I agree with Brihard.  I am in agreement with him in his posts, but it seems we misinterpreted a few minor points, while in reality were saying the same thing. 

 

[Kat Stevens]

Proof that self entitled dinosaurs still walk the earth.

Why shouldn't a guy feel entitled?  If he's spent a pile of years doing all and sundry crap jobs in the battalion/regiment, without (excessive) complaint, why shouldn't he feel a little chipped off when a jammy go comes up?  Don't tell me you've spent as long as you have in the green tuxedo without ever once asking "what's in it for me?"

 

[Teflon]

Can't we all just get along? 

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Why shouldn't a guy feel entitled?  If he's spent a pile of years doing all and sundry crap jobs in the battalion/regiment, without (excessive) complaint, why shouldn't he feel a little chipped off when a jammy go comes up?  Don't tell me you've spent as long as you have in the green tuxedo without ever once asking "what's in it for me?"

Kat,

You missed the point. Wondering 'what's in it for me' is one thing. Believing that you are entitled to the job because you believe you are sooooo much better than anyone else in the world, when you clearly aren't, is the problem. Not being able to look past yourself in the mirror, and see anyone else for their own attributes, and what they can bring to the table, is being the self entitled dinosaur.

We have individuals here screaming about staying in our lanes and questioning government policy. Follow your order into the mouth of hell, because that's what you signed up to do, and all of that. Then when a job comes along, that was studied and detertmined that the best candidates were a certain group the subscriber doesn't like, they backpedal on all their previous conflab and try to say because they don't like it, NOW it's OK to go against policy and question our superiors position and decision. Then denegrate and demean the contribution that target group makes to further their flawed argument.

 

[dregeneau]

I admit having a lack of knowledge on the subject.

But I am curious, when did this specific position begin? Was there no role in the Canadian Forces of a door gunner in our griffins before Afghanistan?

This isn't an attempt to get the thread back on topic, just a couple of honest questions.

 

[Nfld Sapper]

No need before IIRC.....

 

[Loachman]

Griffon.

And no. FEs and Mission Specialists did door gunnery.

And only with C6s.

 

[tree hugger]

I heard that a new trade is opening up called "Door Gunner".  Can anyone confirm or deny this?

 

[Strike]

Maybe you should search "Door Gunner" on the site.

 

[Container]

I heard that a new trade is opening up called "Door Gunner".  Can anyone confirm or deny this?

I heard the training PO's were "Candidate demonstrates propensity to 'Get Some'" and "candidate doesn't lead smaller, slower targets as much".

And finally "requests that field reporters do stories on him because he's so %&*#ing good".

 

[Strike]

And because a certain person got all pissy because I crapped on them for looking at the first post that came up after their search for "door gunner" here you go:

http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/87750/post-857469.html#msg857469

 

[The Gues-|-]

I heard that a new trade is opening up called "Door Gunner".  Can anyone confirm or deny this?

There's talk, that's about it.

 

[FragSlag5]

There wont be a "Door Gunner" trade, but attached postings for a period of time around 2 years.  Only available to REG force Combat Arms tho. 

If you need any more info let me know

 

[Krb005]

I'm an infantry soldier with 3rcr. Starting the door gunner course in September.  Just looking for any information and knowledge that will help me going into the course. Also I've been told that it's not common for a no hook private to get this course, it's something that Sargents and warrants fight to get. Is that true?

 

[jollyjacktar]

Can't say, but good luck.  I'm jealous.

 

[Journeyman]

I voted for "Info"  :nod:

 

[Loachman]

I removed the poll.

Many door gunners in Afghanistan were Reservists. Seeing people in flying suits with balmorals, glengarries, and other "funny hats" was quite interesting.

You should enjoy this, Krb005. Very few get such an opportunity.

 

[Drew Grey]

Why is this such a coveted position?

 

[Good2Golf]

I removed the poll.

Many door gunners in Afghanistan were Reservists. Seeing people in flying suits with balmorals, glengarries, and other "funny hats" was quite interesting.

You should enjoy this, Krb005. Very few get such an opportunity.

...and Cpl seemed to be the median rank.