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Federal money exhausted - Impact on promised DND funds?

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I wonder how good the 2005 budget promises are in light of this from today's Globe and Mail?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20050714.wrbudget0714/BNStory/Business/?query=federal+budget
Liberals warn cupboard is bare
BY STEVEN CHASE AND JANE TABER

THURSDAY, JULY 14, 2005 UPDATED AT 3:26 AM EDT
FROM THURSDAY'S GLOBE AND MAIL

Ottawa - The federal Finance Department is warning other ministers' offices that the fiscal cupboard is bare, and they will have to tailor requests for money to fit what's being billed as a productivity budget for next year.

Finance officials met with political staff from federal ministers' offices June 30 to get the ball rolling on planning for the 2006-2007 budget. "The briefing session was basically a large cold shower," a senior federal official said.

The meeting capped a Parliamentary session that saw the minority Liberal government announce spending plans of more than $50-billion, and come under fire from corporate Canada for a lack of leadership on the economy.

Ministers were also warned to be ready for an earlier-than-usual budget, if necessary, since a federal election is expected in early 2006.

Liberal staffers were cautioned not to expect personal income tax cuts in the next budget year because cash is tight.

They heard that this fiscal year's surplus is forecast to be only about $400-million, after $2-billion for federal debt pay-down and allocations for the $4.6-billion spending deal that secured NDP budget support in Parliament.

They were told at the briefing that "productivity is the key" in the next budget, and were informed that Canada has fallen 15 per cent behind the United States in terms of productivity per worker.

The message was: "We're going to deal with [competitiveness] but we're not getting off into any sort of airy-fairy stuff" in the next budget, a senior federal official outside the finance department said.

Officials said the public theme for the next budget will likely be "growth and prosperity," a broader, more user-friendly term that resonates better than "productivity."

Ministers' staff were told that Finance Minister Ralph Goodale still plans for a budget in the regular February-March period but they should be "be ready for an early one if need be."

Prime Minister Paul Martin may want to bring down a budget earlier than usual in anticipation of a federal election expected in early 2006. He has vowed to call an election 30 days after the release of the final report on the Gomery Inquiry into the sponsorship scandal. That report is expected Dec. 15.

Canada's weak productivity performance - there was no growth in 2004 - is a matter of increasing anxiety for policy-makers.

Recently, the federal Liberal government has come under heavy pressure from the Canadian Council of Chief Executives, the Senate Banking, Trade and Commerce committee and others to boost Canada's lagging productivity.

In an interview earlier this week, Mr. Goodale said he plans for a regularly scheduled budget, but "only circumstance and time will tell" if it gets moved up. He said he could envision a budget taking place after an expected January or February federal election.

He said he's targeting productivity as part of a drive to protect Canada's standard of living. "It is clearly an important focus from my point of view. I want to express the end result a bit more broadly ..... than just sort of the narrow economist's definition of productivity."

Corporate Canada tends to blame the tax structure for some of the poor productivity growth.

Mr. Goodale said he believes tax levels are among the ingredients for success, but does not subscribe to the notion that "abraca-tax cut is the total solution to everything."

He said "in due course we will need to deal with the tax question" but said Canada must also be "particularly alert" to three other forms of investment: education and skills training, infrastructure and science and technology research and development. "Those three - human capital, physical capital and innovation - are the real crucial drivers of a more successful economy and higher incomes and a better standards of living for the future."

The government still plans to re-instate corporate income tax cuts promised in the 2005 budget bill but cut from the legislation in order to secure NDP support in Parliament. The legislation could be tabled as early as the fall. the cuts will eliminate the corporate surtax for companies with assets of more than $50-million and lower the general corporate income tax bracket to 19 per cent from 21 per cent.

© Copyright 2005 Bell Globemedia Publishing Inc. All Rights Reserved.

The Liberals giveth and the Liberals can taketh away, too.  Blessed be the name of the Liberals.

 
Looks like the CF has the NDP to thank for getting screwed this time....
 
Is anyone here really surprised? Anyone?


Thought so. >:(
 
umm, I don't know where this doom and gloom is coming from but nothing in this article said that the CF's budget boost is going to be killed, hell, even reading between the lines I couldn't decipher anything of substance.

but then again, I'm just an anthropologist (in training) and know shit all about economics...

 
Sheerin,

When ones sees terms like productivity budget and when an election looms, and with the likliehood of the voters punishing any government which even whispers the D word, then one surmise that defence spending will be an easy target for both politicians and public servants alike. Bitter experience bears this out.

 
Don't forget that Mr. Martin was the Finance Minister when Cretien was PM, when the CF wasn't even on the radar screen when it came to funding.

It's too bad the late Chuck Cadman chose to blindly follow the wishes of his constituents, rather than make the tough choice and lead his constituents. We'd be electing a new Government right now, and this budget (among other 'bad bills') would be history. Oh well, here's hoping they don't screw us too much, and hopefully the 'social spending' won't actually happen either.

What a pack of liars. "Security? Who needs security when you have free child-care?"
 
Well Cadman did exactly what he was supposed to do.  He was elected by the people of his riding and they, like the rest of the nation, didn't want an election right then.  We'll get early in the new year, and chances are the conservatives will screw up once again....

But thats way off topic...

 
I wonder if at any point in the future, economists are going to recognize that the "productivity gap" is the direct result of the increased amount of government bureaucracy we have vis-a-vis the United States as opposed to somehow thinking this is a worker-related issue.

I'm surprised the CBC hasn't been all over this....



Matthew.    :salute:

P.S.   RE:   Cadman fulfilling the wishes of his constituents - he did the easy thing as opposed to the right thing.   There is a big difference.
 
Sheerin said:
Well Cadman did exactly what he was supposed to do.  He was elected by the people of his riding and they, like the rest of the nation, didn't want an election right then.  We'll get early in the new year, and chances are the conservatives will screw up once again....

If you remember Mr Dithers press conference to welcome Belinda Stronich to the Liberal party and a $5 billion dollar ministry, he said she would be the one implementing the recommendations of the Gomery Inquiry. I don't think we will see an election 30 days after the Gomery Inquiry report, but rather the full five years after the last election (with lots of constitution busting tricks to maintain that grip on power right to the last second).

As for the Conservatives, it is hard to understand what they are doing wrong when a directionless and virtually leaderless Liberal Party still maintains better polling numbers. I suppose an "open agenda" of theft is better than a "hidden agenda" of privatization in the eyes of Canadians.
 
Well I'm not surprised, defence is not a Liberal party strong point.  I don't think anything will change in this budget and 12.7 is save until the next election.  I can't Liberals taking a chance on cutting defence before a really tight election; but after the election if they win I'm sure we'll see some cuts.
 
If you remember Mr Dithers press conference to welcome Belinda Stronich to the Liberal party and a $5 billion dollar ministry, he said she would be the one implementing the recommendations of the Gomery Inquiry. I don't think we will see an election 30 days after the Gomery Inquiry report, but rather the full five years after the last election (with lots of constitution busting tricks to maintain that grip on power right to the last second).

Do you honestly think they're that stupid?  First of all its a minority government and there is NO WAY IN HELL any of the other parties would come to defence of Martin if he reneged on that promise.  Secondly, if Martin did that I suspect that the liberals would end up after the following election with only a modicum of seats, perhaps only two like what happened to the PCs back in 1993.
 
Sheerin said:
Do you honestly think they're that stupid?   First of all its a minority government and there is NO WAY IN heck any of the other parties would come to defence of Martin if he reneged on that promise.   Secondly, if Martin did that I suspect that the liberals would end up after the following election with only a modicum of seats, perhaps only two like what happened to the PCs back in 1993.

If you gave Layton another billion or so, he'd do anything Martin asked him to....which is exactly why Cadman was wrong.  The Liberal Party was reduced to bribery in order to survive and Cadman gave them a second chance.  It was dispicable....



Matthew.  >:(
 
I'd have to agree with Sheerin. Clawing back promised funds from defence is not part of any liberal strategy that I am privy too. In fact it flys in the face of a couple of them, namely the liberals pushing hard to portray Martin as a dependable, prudent man, and as well his own personal feelings, which, from my understanding, include a great desire to pursue foreign policy goals, of which defence is a part.

Martin, though many may not like him, is not dull, and recognizes that in order to be a player in the worldwide game of diplomacy, you need an army. One must remember that we are in a much different position than we were a decade ago, namely we have balanced the budget, the public is not clawing for a peace divident, and Martin is leading, not following Chretien, who, by the way, did not regard foreign policy as an important aspect of his government (thus why it and anything relating to it suffered under his.... rule).

Furthermore, future surplus projections (usually) include money layed out in previous budgets. And don't forget the defence money is backloaded, so there is no real massive spending increase for another 2 or so years.

Thanks
 
Planners can plan and implementers can implement and won`t that be a road map to the future to trot out for the election!

And finance ministers will give as much money as we can afford given the great demands on the treasury.

See the money

See the delivered capabilites and equipment

Believe the leadership.

In that order.
 
I did not see anything in there about defence cuts.  All I could see was all of those finacial promises drained all the funds.
Remeber that the PM was at the G-8 meeting last week when the bombs went off. He came off that trip with terrorism fresh in his mind. I am sure that we will not get any cuts at all.


 
mover1 said:
I did not see anything in there about defence cuts.  All I could see was all of those finacial promises drained all the funds.
Remeber that the PM was at the G-8 meeting last week when the bombs went off. He came off that trip with terrorism fresh in his mind. I am sure that we will not get any cuts at all.

mover1:

I hope you're correct, and I salute your optimism.

Unfortunately, my experience of well over 20 years of broken promises, broken contracts (remember the helicopters?), and backdoor financial clawbacks which negated publically heralded budget increases, from various governments has made me too much of a cynic to believe ANYTHING I hear from ANY government regarding budget increases for the CF.

As I said, I hope you're correct - I'm just not betting the mortgage money on it.
 
THe most I read out of it was that when the Government was handing out surplus money hand over fist they never kept a running tab. Now it is time to pay the piper and they are rolling pennies to keep the promises.

No more new funds till next year.

Its just like mom or dad saying they cant afford to take you to Mcdonalds till next pay.

We have all been let down by the Govt. We all have it fresh in our minds.  But Mr Martin would be a fool to cut any defence funds. Not only in our eyes but in the eyes of the world as well.

Maybe he could cut off some of that African Aid he promised Bono.
 
mover1 said:
....  But Mr Martin would be a fool to cut any defence funds. ....

Mr. Martin, IMHO, has proved a capacity (and arguably a tendency) to be a fool in the past.  The area in which he seems to be most gifted is that of political survival at any cost.
 
He is a back peddler heck he is a ploitician plain and simple. Ever shake the guys hand?  I had the opportunity when I took him off his airbus in Halifax during george W.s visit. The guy has soft hands. To be politically incorrect it was like shaking hands with a tit. Really it was that soft and creepy. He never worked a day in his life and he is very much a schmooser. BUT.....he is Better than Cretien.
 
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