Field photo's of 4CMBG

[Edward Campbell]

Hello George

I saw that thanks. I was wondering when they changed from 71 to 55.

Thanks
Larry

The change of fixed C/S occurred sometime after 1969/70.

My recollection is that when the brigade moved South, to Lahr/Baden, they found that the Americans did not use fixed c/s but we were unwilling to change ...

 

[Danjanou]

The change of fixed C/S occurred sometime after 1969/70.

My recollection is that when the brigade moved South, to Lahr/Baden, they found that the Americans did not use fixed c/s but we were unwilling to change ...

Sounds about right as far as my addled mess tin afflcited memory serves. The pics I sent you Larry should show Mortar Pl 3 RCR as C/S 51/53 circa 1980.

 

[exspy]

Does anyone have a time line on the TOW missiles use in Canada, ...so I could put some sort of date on this picture?

Many thanks
Larry

Larry,

From the annual DND publication 'Defence' for 1976 and 1977, I have extracted the following.  All details are those that were in effect as of the end of the Year of the volume.

For 1976: "Deliveries of TOW missiles were completed in 1976 and operational and maintenance training for the crews is continuing."

For 1977: "In early 1977 the brigade (ie. 4 CMBG) received ... the TOW anti-tank weapon.  In early June 3 Mech Commando and 1 R22eR completed operational TOW training."

From this you can easily say that the Brigade Group in Germany was operational with the TOW system by 1 Jul 1977.

As for mounting TOWs on APCs, in 1978 I attended a TOW firing camp at Camp Meaford with 1 RCR and watched them fire live missiles.  All of the launchers were mounted on APCs at this period of its use and I never saw it mounted, in Canadian service, on anything else.

I'm trying to find out more on this for you, and anything I find I'll post on here.

Cheers,
Dan.

 

[larry Strong]

Hello Dan 

Thank you so very much for that info


Sincerely
Larry

 

[larry Strong]

When we're thermal imagers issues to the TOW's?


Thanks
Larry

 

[Wolseleydog]

If you haven't already, check out this link:
http://www.armouredacorn.com/Reference/CVM/Default.htm

 

[larry Strong]

If you haven't already, check out this link:
http://www.armouredacorn.com/Reference/CVM/Default.htm

Hello

Many thanks for that

Sincerely
Larry

 

[NavyShooter]

I'm pretty sure Sean Maloney talks about the introduction of TOW missiles in his book "War Without Battles". In fact, that book will be extremely useful for your project.

You should probably read "First Clash", too, which is a fictional account of the Canadian Brigade fighting WWIII, but I haven't read it so I can't recommend it. I only read "Team Yankee", which is a fictional account of a US Army M1 and M113 unit fighting in the 80's.

I have both these books on the bookshelf.  Team Yankee was Harold Coyle's kickstart novel I believe.

NS

 

[The Anti-Royal]

I served in 3 RCR Baden in the early 90s.  The cbt sp platoon callsigns were:

Mor Pl - FSCC 51, mor gps 52 and 53 (four tubes each)
Pnr Pl - not manned
Recce Pl - 69, 60, recce gps 61, 62 and 63 (four dets each)
Anti-Armour Pl - 79, 70, anti-armour gps 71, 72 and 73 (six dets each).

Anti-Armour was in TUA by 1989, IIRC.

 

[larry Strong]

Excellent, many thanks for that

Sincerely
Larry

 

[George Wallace]

When we're thermal imagers issues to the TOW's?


Thanks
Larry

Did trials for SIMFIRE, TALISI, MILES, etc. around 1985 and they had a TOW 2 sight on trial, which I think had Thermal.  Memory may not be that accurate on that one though.  He was really hitting my Leo and I was saying "Damn!" a lot.

 

[larry Strong]

Much appreciated George, thank you.


later
Larry