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First Nations - CF help, protests, solutions, residential schools, etc. (merged)

PuckChaser said:
Are railways not the jurisdiction of the CP Police and RCMP as they're federal? OPP would be responsible for highway blockades.

CN, CP, and Via Rail each have their own police services that enforce the Railway Act and other statutes (including criminal code) on their property. That said, to the best of my knowledge they aren't at all equipped for a public order situation. Actually enforcement of injunctions, clearing blockades etc would be the responsibility of the police of jurisdiction, which defaults to either the provincial police, or municipal if it's within the boundaries of a municipality. Land being owned by federal agencies or crown corporations doesn't default it to being an RCMP problem. Even Parliament Hill is being transitioned to Ottawa Police's responsibility for actually responding to crimes, and things like embassies and such that are an RCMP protective responsibility will still go to the local police of jurisdiction for straight criminal matters. if there's not a National Security / Vienna Convention nexus.

So- the blockade in Ontario is an OPP problem.
 
Since discussion's zeroing in on the technical/jurisdictional bits of the current protests, moved those bits here.

Friendly reminder that the same rules apply here as elsewhere in the Canadian Politics threads.

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As much as it pisses me off that the protestors are being left alone to disrupt transport and travel I can empathize with the OPP for not wanting to get involved. The fact that they're enforcing the law is moot because they'll be painted as the badguys regardless. Will the government have their back if things go pear shape? Doubt it. Trudeau already distanced himself with the police by saying the government doesn't tell the police what to do and how to do it.
 
Didn’t the government influence RCMP and their pursuit of two white guys last summer?

Or did the military just show up?  Surely there were a few high level conversations that happened behind closed doors.
 
Dolphin_Hunter said:
Didn’t the government influence RCMP and their pursuit of two white guys last summer?

Or did the military just show up?  Surely there were a few high level conversations that happened behind closed doors.

Rather different set of circumstances when the military is being asked to support with a specific *capability*. That wasn’t political direction of law enforcement.
 
The MacMillan Yard is the 2nd largest rail classification yard in Canada,

TORONTO, ON- FEBRUARY 15 2020.Shut Down Canada protesters head to the rail lines to occupy the Macmillan Yard in Vaughan, Ontario in solidarity with Wet'suwet'en land defenders. All trains going west to Hamilton, London, New York and Michigan are now blocked as of 10 a.m. on Saturday.

The protesters gathered at Bloor and Spadina Sts. and took the subway north to Pioneer Village subway station, then proceeded to Macmillan Yard.

Vaughan, ON would be York Regional Police.

Protesters took the subway up from Bloor and Spadina.

GO trains were also affected.
 
TORONTO, ON- FEBRUARY 15 2020.Shut Down Canada protesters head to the rail lines to occupy the Macmillan Yard in Vaughan, Ontario in solidarity with Wet'suwet'en land defenders. All trains going west to Hamilton, London, New York and Michigan are now blocked as of 10 a.m. on Saturday.

The protesters gathered at Bloor and Spadina Sts. and took the subway north to Pioneer Village subway station, then proceeded to Macmillan Yard.

Yes, shut it all down. In solidarity with land and water defenders. Nothing comes in and out of the GTA  ;D

 
Remius said:
I can’t remember who brought up the point but the example used was “what if gun owners blocked trains to stop gun legislation?”  I agree that it would be over in a matter of hours.

Arresting a bunch of older whites would mean extra PC brownie points for a "Woke politician" People forget that the stuff our PM has apoligized for was all done legally and was the PC thought for the day.
 
mariomike said:
Are you obsessed with the GTA?

Not too ****ing impressed with the politician all ya'all are responsible for voting in lol

But also, I'm supporting land defenders. Getting two birds stone at once. 
 
Jarnhamar said:
Nothing comes in and out of the GTA  ;D

Jarnhamar said:
Not too ****ing impressed with the politician all ya'all are responsible for voting in lol

Does this have anything to do with Gun Politics?

You keep going on about the GTA.

Do you understand the GTA is 25 incorporated municipalities, and five Regions?

Each have separate governments.







 
mariomike said:
Do you understand the GTA is 25 incorporated municipalities, and five Regions?

Each have separate governments.

But they're equally clueless.
 
ModlrMike said:
But they're equally clueless.

I'll take that over this,

Winnipeg Sun

Good reason Winnipeg considered most unsafe city in Canada - because it is

https://winnipegsun.com/2017/08/22/good-reason-winnipeg-considered-most-unsafe-city-in-canada---because-it-is/wcm/965ad8fe-a78d-4767-9077-cc765263a237


 
Interesting, and ironic in the case of Eby :)

Les Leyne: Remarkable organizing prowess fuels protests

The motives and validity of the protest shutdowns are up for debate, but the organizational prowess is beyond dispute. It’s a remarkable achievement to co-ordinate thousands of people in massive civil disobedience across Canada.

And it confirms what’s already obvious — the B.C. and federal governments are dealing with something significant and ongoing.

Two years ago, there was a brief glimpse of the strategic thinking that’s going into the demonstrations. It was a small political story that passed quickly, but this week suggests the concepts that came to light then are still in play.

It was about “the hive.”

The reference was in a planning document that leaked after Environment Minister George Heyman attended a meeting at a Bowen Island retreat with some people who were dedicated to blocking the Kinder Morgan oil pipeline proposal.

The opposition Liberals landed on the outline and accused Heyman of consorting with activists and agitators.

He said he was just doing his job, meeting everyone. The rest of the cabinet just rolled their eyes and laughed off the opposition’s dark suspicions.

But nobody’s laughing today. Because the hive looks to be alive and well, and buzzing around the NDP government’s head.

It was described at the time as a lift-off for “ongoing coordination of organizational support for mass action.” The outline described a coalition of grassroots groups that would support and share information about mass, creative and non-violent direct actions.

“The Hive brings resources, money, action experience and technical know-how, capacity and co-ordination experience.”

It described regular meetings where decisions are made by consensus, but groups are free to act independently as their work requires.

Flowing from that was “the Swarm.” It brings energy, creative, hard-hitting plans and momentum,” said the outline.

It gave various examples of how an opportunity for mass action might be identified and how sponsors of specific protest actions could tap into the hive and get support to make it a success.

“This group is about inspiring and supporting action on a mass scale … This group is an organizing structure, not a brand. We will not have a brand or presence in public beyond what is necessary to achieve our goals.”

It committed to non-violent direct action and avoid harm to individuals and “unnecessary damage to property.”

It also recommended digital security protocols to maintain a low profile — discuss tactics in person wherever possible, prevent documents from being publicly viewable, use encrypted message apps and ensure phone calls are private.

It’s not known if the specific hive referred to is still functional.

The Kinder Morgan pipeline project collapsed before mass protests were called.

But the outline is a perfect model for how to accomplish exactly what unfolded this week — coordinated, mass action on a grand scale.

It doesn’t just happen spontaneously. It needs a lot of careful thinking, and big pool of volunteers.

Just So You Know: Another document from even further back came to light this week. It is much more obviously in play today and it’s more than a little ironic.

A message circulating widely refers to how “legal observers” were trained by the protesters to monitor the response of police and authorities to the disruptions.

The co-author of the handbook being used?

It was David Eby, now B.C.’s attorney general, who wrote it for protesters active during the 2010 Vancouver-Whistler Olympics while he was with the B.C. Civil Liberties Association.

The same Eby whose Vancouver-Point Grey constituency office was occupied this week by protesters who traumatized office staff.

Legal observers following the Eby handbook were on hand at the legislature blockades.

He described their role in the guide as “calm, independent objective witnesses to the activities of security forces.”

They are considered separate from protesters and their main job is to collect evidence that protesters later pursuing complaints against police might use.

He recommended against providing legal advice, interfering, or speaking to the media.

The tactics are bewildering. How antagonizing tens of thousands of taxpayers by shutting down Metro Vancouver transportation links constitutes a win is hard to figure.

But demonstrators are following a comprehensive and thorough game plan as they raise the stakes.
https://www.timescolonist.com/opinion/columnists/les-leyne-remarkable-organizing-prowess-fuels-protests-1.24077299
 
...and yet those in The Hive and close to them are no doubt also clamoring over the high gasoline prices and increasing energy costs. ::)

*sniff, sniff*

...not...
 
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