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[rounder]

Devlin,


    You are right... Stand too's are bad at first and last light... the en will know everything about you if you do that. They do not preach that anymore.... And as a Pl 2i/c I never did it at first and last light..... you are forgiven!

 

[devil39]

Are you kidding!! Obviously you've never been a Pl 2i/c (That's a platoon second in command) in case you don't get it. Stand to is a NOT out dated, it is a tool used to test readiness by coy / pl leadership. Buddy, thanks for your comments but that was a loaded thing to say, and if your mind hasn't changed then stick to DP's and resups.

Come on man!!

Rounder,

Tool to test readiness?   Sure in training perhaps.

Might there not also be some tactical merit to a stand to?   I've used them on occasion, on operations at the Coy level, not with the intent of testing the readiness of my troops.  

And at first light.

And definitely not preceded by someone running around yelling "Stand To ... Stand To"   I might add.

 

[Fusaki]

For FIBUA portion of SG04, the enemy force was RCR FIBUA specialists, at least some of them were.

Hehe. Bravo Coy 1RCR was your Enemy Force. Nothing special, just your run of the mill rifle company. We're just super, thats all.

 

[Devlin]

Rounder

That was the thing it was how they were executing the stand-to's at first and last light and some freakin numpty nuts running through the treelines yelling stand-to. It was a sight to behold. Very Quasi-Tactical if I do say.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Rounder

That was the thing it was how they were executing the stand-to's at first and last light and some freakin numpty nuts running through the treelines yelling stand-to. It was a sight to behold. Very Quasi-Tactical if I do say.

That is why we go on ex - to make mistakes, and learn from them.  Was this brought up on the AAR or hotwash (he asks, knowing that there probably wasn't an AR or hotwash - sigh).?

 

[Devlin]

Sir.

I believe it was brought up in the Hot Wash.  Though the problem is taking next next steps and actually actioning the points brought up during the the Hot Wash. I as not at the Hot Wash (above my payscale). It's great to identify the problem (Congratulations Sir, You have a remarkable grasp of the blatantly obvious) but what do we do to improve upon it?

During these Hot Washes and AAR's it's great that we propose solutions to the problems identified. The struggle is getting the human resources tasked to take action.

Yes agreed Sir, we do go on EX to make mistakes and learn from them. Now we have to remember what we have learned.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Sir.

No sirs here...

During these Hot Washes and AAR's it's great that we propose solutions to the problems identified. The struggle is getting the human resources tasked to take action.

Yes agreed Sir, we do go on EX to make mistakes and learn from them. Now we have to remember what we have learned.

I see from your profile that you are an officer.  Why not try a subtle approach - and bring up the topic of the stand to drill in the Mess?  There is nothing wrong with a healthy discourse on matters professional (indeed it is to be encouraged) in the Mess, and you may find that your intended target (OC or Ops O) is listening...

Dave

 

[rounder]

Might there not also be some tactical merit to a stand to?

    I'm listening... Not being a smart ass either, I am curious.

 

[devil39]

    I'm listening... Not being a smart *** either, I am curious.

Any number of reasons.

For example from 392-004-FP01 Infantry Patrolling dealing with patrol base routines:

http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/ael/pubs/300-009/b-gl-392/004/FP-001/B-GL-392-004-FP-001.pdf

"A one hour (hr) stand-to is observed morning and evening; 30 min before and 30 min after first light and 30 min before and 30 min after last light. This ensures that all patrolmen are accustomed to the changing light conditions, are dressed, properly equipped and ready to move."

I have used this in a Coy ptl base in conjunction with a clearance patrol at first light prior to a helo extraction.