Freedom Convoy protests [Split from All things 2019-nCoV]

[brihard]

Don’t forget that Lucki was a deep dip. She was an Assistant Commissioner commanding the RCMP training academy. She commanded two districts (part of a province), but never commanded an operational division. They bypassed five or six Deputy Commissioners to select her. There’s some significant senior executive level experience that she likely never got.

 

[Good2Golf]

Don’t forget that Lucki was a deep dip. She was an Assistant Commissioner commanding the RCMP training academy. She commanded two districts (part of a province), but never commanded an operational division. They bypassed five or six Deputy Commissioners to select her. There’s some significant senior executive level experience that she likely never got.

And also…to paraphrase Monty Python, “[she] doesn’t ‘ave shit all over [‘er]…”

Milquetoast w no career divots may have been a not-insignificant factor in her ascension…

 

[TacticalTea]

Don’t forget that Lucki was a deep dip. She was an Assistant Commissioner commanding the RCMP training academy. She commanded two districts (part of a province), but never commanded an operational division. They bypassed five or six Deputy Commissioners to select her. There’s some significant senior executive level experience that she likely never got.

Why, do you figure, was that the case?

 

[lenaitch]

Why, do you figure, was that the case?

Hmmm, let me think about that for a nanosecond . . .

 

[brihard]

Why, do you figure, was that the case?

I won’t speculate on that. I’d be WAY outside my arcs pretending I understand executive level HR stuff.

 

[OldSolduer]

Hmmm, let me think about that for a nanosecond . . .

I thought about it too. I won’t share those thoughts here.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Objectivity and merit are harsh taskmasters to minds obsessed by abstract notions of fairness.

 

[Remius]

Some numbers about the convoy funding.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1588171895651942400

 

[Navy_Pete]

So $6-10M coming from outside Canada from various sources?

 

[Kat Stevens]

So $6-10M coming from outside Canada from various sources?

I bet it wasn't the Sierra Club or Tides Foundation.

 

[Remius]

So $6-10M coming from outside Canada from various sources?

Looks like it yeah.

 

[dapaterson]

And also…to paraphrase Monty Python, “[she] doesn’t ‘ave shit all over [‘er]…”

Well, didn't.

 

[Haggis]

Don’t forget that Lucki was a deep dip. She was an Assistant Commissioner commanding the RCMP training academy. She commanded two districts (part of a province), but never commanded an operational division. They bypassed five or six Deputy Commissioners to select her. There’s some significant senior executive level experience that she likely never got.

Deep selection is rare, but not as rare as some may think. There have been several instances in the CAF and OGDs that have worked out better than this one.

Milquetoast w no career divots may have been a not-insignificant factor in her ascension…

Given some of the less than stellar Commissioners that preceded her, that would be a deciding factor for sure. As would her gender because, well, it's 2018.

 

[Winds]

Yes. Do you really live so black and white?

Trampling someone's rights through the use of force is worse than trampling someone's right through the use of force through a carefully constructed process that itself has checks and balances (limits) to its use. Similarly, trampling someone's rights through a legal process that has not yet met a reasonable substantiation is worse than one that has met a threshold.

Or a more specific, albeit extreme, example: two people have their mobility rights taken away. One is a person who's been put in prison after due process, the other is someone who's been abducted. Are you saying both are equally bad, because the pathway that their right was "abridged" doesn't matter?

How about an even more extreme and specific example: millions of Canadians had their mobility rights taken away for choosing not to get vaccinated against COVID19 regardless of their individual risk level and lacking proven efficacy to prevent virus transmission. Does it make it right because it was done through legal means, even if there was no parliamentary discussion on the policy? Do you think it was a reasonable measure, even if it was not considered to be so by any other Western democracy?

 

[lenaitch]

^^I'm not even going to bother.

 

[brihard]

How about an even more extreme and specific example: millions of Canadians had their mobility rights taken away for choosing not to get vaccinated against COVID19 regardless of their individual risk level and lacking proven efficacy to prevent virus transmission. Does it make it right because it was done through legal means, even if there was no parliamentary discussion on the policy? Do you think it was a reasonable measure, even if it was not considered to be so by any other Western democracy?

I’m not going to wade in on this much, save to say that the courts considered the mobilities rights sections of the Charter in the context of COVID restrictions in Taylor v. Newfoundland and Labrador, 2020 NLSC 125 (CanLII), https://canlii.ca/t/j9p6v

The courts held that, although mobility rights were infringed in the facts of that case, the restrictions imposed by the province of Newfoundland were saved by s. 1 as a reasonable limitation. I’m not aware of any successful court challenge to federal quarantine requirements for citizens re-entering Canada, either.

 

[Winds]

I’m not going to wade in on this much, save to say that the courts considered the mobilities rights sections of the Charter in the context of COVID restrictions in Taylor v. Newfoundland and Labrador, 2020 NLSC 125 (CanLII), https://canlii.ca/t/j9p6v

The courts held that, although mobility rights were infringed in the facts of that case, the restrictions imposed by the province of Newfoundland were saved by s. 1 as a reasonable limitation. I’m not aware of any successful court challenge to federal quarantine requirements for citizens re-entering Canada, either.

I wasn't referring to quarantine requirements but rather the domestic travel ban that prevented unvacvinated Canadians from boarding planes or trains for over half a year. It still has not been cancelled but is currently "suspended", with politicians having signalled they may bring it back in effect. All the while, vaccinated individuals were able to attend concert/sports venues with thousands of people, despite the available vaccines not having been proven effective for preventing spread.

 

[Quirky]

I wasn't referring to quarantine requirements but rather the domestic travel ban that prevented unvacvinated Canadians from boarding planes or trains for over half a year. It still has not been cancelled but is currently "suspended", with politicians having signalled they may bring it back in effect. All the while, vaccinated individuals were able to attend concert/sports venues with thousands of people, despite the available vaccines not having been proven effective for preventing spread.

Yes but think of all the people we saved by giving the most vulnerable a few more years of life, allegedly, nevermind all the elderly we segregated ‘for their own safety’ during their last few months of life only to have them die alone. Covid did a terrible job of purging this planet of overpopulation and sickness. It happens everywhere in nature and won’t be the last time.

 

[Bruce Monkhouse]

You folks do know topic this was split OFF from the covid thread??
Just sayin'.....

 

[brihard]

I wasn't referring to quarantine requirements but rather the domestic travel ban that prevented unvacvinated Canadians from boarding planes or trains for over half a year. It still has not been cancelled but is currently "suspended", with politicians having signalled they may bring it back in effect. All the while, vaccinated individuals were able to attend concert/sports venues with thousands of people, despite the available vaccines not having been proven effective for preventing spread.

Yeah, that’s not what mobility rights means, but anyway I’ll otherwise pipe down and wait for the court decisions. Jurisprudence suggests they will not support your interpretation.