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Freeman on the Land?

Here is more on the FBI's consideration of the "Freeman" or "Sovereign Citizen" movements.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/september-2011/sovereign-citizens

It should be noted that there are violent / extreme elements within the movements that have killed law enforcement officers.

Since 2000, lone-offender sovereign-citizen extremists have killed six law enforcement officers. In 2010, two Arkansas police officers stopped sovereign-citizen extremists Jerry Kane and his 16-year-old son Joseph during a routine traffic stop on Interstate 40. Joseph Kane jumped out of the vehicle and opened fire with an AK-47 assault rifle, killing both office
 
More from the CBC.

Police consult Crown on Calgary Freeman 'embassy' charges
Police initially referred Caverhill to civil courts

CBC News Posted: Sep 23, 2013 6:20 PM MT Last Updated: Sep 24, 2013 4:17 PM MT

Calgary police say they are consulting the Crown over whether criminal charges are possible in the case of a Freeman claiming rented property as a sovereign "embassy." (CBC)

Calgary police say they will be consulting with Crown lawyers on whether they can get involved in a dispute between an Alberta pensioner and the man she says is claiming her property as a sovereign "embassy."

Rebekah Caverhill says she has been billed for renovations the man did inside the home and that he had a lien placed on the property. Caverhill says the man called himself a "Freemen-on-the-Land" and is only paying about half the rent. She says he has also ignored one eviction notice.

"I can say that we are speaking with the complainant on the matter," said Julien Gagne, acting inspector with the Calgary Police Service. "We're trying to guide her through the civil legal process and we're trying to determine if there are potential criminal charges that could come out of this."

Police had initially told Caverhill the matter should be dealt with in civil courts because it is a dispute between a landlord and a tenant.

While police are now working with the Crown, Gagne says it's not likely any criminal charges will be laid.

If law enforcement officials find the tenant illegally swore a lien on the property, as Caverhill alleges, there could be a potential for criminal charges.

This is the first case police say they are aware of involving a Freeman claiming property as a sovereign nation, however they would not give specific numbers on their interactions with Freemen in Calgary.

While they say the movement is not as big as in the U.S., Calgary police officers do undergo mandatory training to learn how to deal with the so-called sovereign citizens.

"It's basically a training module on identifying who they are and what ideologies they follow. It's basically about officer safety based on what's happened in the past south of the border," said Gagne, adding police are keeping a close eye on the movement.

One of the lessons police are urging to public to take from this incident is the important of full background checks on potential tenants.

"It's really important to contact prior landlords and check all references for people who are potentially going to be renting your property," says Gagne.

Part of the difficulty for law enforcement officials and landlords lies in the process governing landlord and tenant relations.

In order to evict someone from a property, landlords must follow a strict process — and sometimes that means the tenant gets what they want in the meantime.

"It can be very frustrating," Gagne admits. "Unfortunately, there is a process to remedy [the situation] and it has to be followed."

Overall, police say the case will be resolved in the end — despite lengthy processes.

"As frustrating as it might be and as time-consuming as it might be, at the end of the day justice will be sought out and the complainant will get what she deserves," Gagne says.

The tenant did not respond to a CBC request for an interview.

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PrairieThunder said:
He has been ordered to vacate the property by police.
Thank you; the post by Retired AF Guy was just too much to go through.  ;)
 
Seems straightforward enough.  Set him "free" on some "land" that is not, in practical terms, occupied - there is quite a bit of it slightly north of continental Canada.  The purity of it should appeal to him: there will be no risk he consumes any tax-funded resources (short of the JP4 and the parachute to get him there).
 
Brad Sallows said:
Seems straightforward enough.  Set him "free" on some "land" that is not, in practical terms, occupied - there is quite a bit of it slightly north of continental Canada.  The purity of it should appeal to him: there will be no risk he consumes any tax-funded resources (short of the JP4 and the parachute to get him there).

In these times of fiscal restraint, your plan is too expensive.  Forget about the parachute.
 
The common theme to most (if not all) Freemen arguments (and those making them) is they are dumb.
Full stop.

Unfortunately they are just dumb enough to cause real trouble but not so dumb as to have forgotten how to breath.
 
Brad Sallows said:
Seems straightforward enough.  Set him "free" on some "land" that is not, in practical terms, occupied - there is quite a bit of it slightly north of continental Canada.  The purity of it should appeal to him: there will be no risk he consumes any tax-funded resources (short of the JP4 and the parachute to get him there).
Devious yet simple.

I like it.
 
Brad Sallows said:
Seems straightforward enough.  Set him "free" on some "land" that is not, in practical terms, occupied - there is quite a bit of it slightly north of continental Canada.  The purity of it should appeal to him: there will be no risk he consumes any tax-funded resources (short of the JP4 and the parachute to get him there).

Hans Island...let him deal with the Danes  :nod:.

MM
 
PrairieThunder said:
He has been ordered to vacate the property by police.

Just one small but very important correction.  He has been ordered to vacate by the COURTS.
 
Apparently he's also wanted on an outstanding warrant in Quebec under an alias. I understand that he has until the weekend to vacate and then the landlord can ask the Sheriff to enforce the order.
 
The outstanding warrant should be enough to take him into custody right now. Why wait till the weekend for him to do more damage, formulate plans, etc?
 
recceguy said:
The outstanding warrant should be enough to take him into custody right now. Why wait till the weekend for him to do more damage, formulate plans, etc?

Unless it is a 'Canada-wide' warrant, it does not matter. Even if it covers the entire province of Quebec they will not seek to have him returned. Unless he, for some reason, travels back to La Belle Province, he will not be tried for those matters in all likelihood.
 
Common assault rarely results in a Canada wide warrant. I'm going to presume that he will either defy the order, or slink off into the dark of night to surface again in a similar situation. I actually hope he defies the order. It will be interesting to see what the justice system makes of it.
 
While the actions of the "Freemen" can be quite distressing - particularly in the case of the poor woman in Alberta - and they are increasingly a nuisance in the courts, the actions of one of them has at least allowed one Ontario judge to write one of the funniest, and best written, court judgments in many years. It is worth a read.

http://canlii.ca/en/on/oncj/doc/2013/2013oncj160/2013oncj160.html
 
je suis prest said:
http://canlii.ca/en/on/oncj/doc/2013/2013oncj160/2013oncj160.html
Worth reading, just for the footnotes.    :nod:
 
je suis prest said:
While the actions of the "Freemen" can be quite distressing - particularly in the case of the poor woman in Alberta - and they are increasingly a nuisance in the courts, the actions of one of them has at least allowed one Ontario judge to write one of the funniest, and best written, court judgments in many years. It is worth a read.

http://canlii.ca/en/on/oncj/doc/2013/2013oncj160/2013oncj160.html
Outstanding - milpoints inbound for sharing that.
 
je suis prest said:
While the actions of the "Freemen" can be quite distressing - particularly in the case of the poor woman in Alberta - and they are increasingly a nuisance in the courts, the actions of one of them has at least allowed one Ontario judge to write one of the funniest, and best written, court judgments in many years. It is worth a read.

http://canlii.ca/en/on/oncj/doc/2013/2013oncj160/2013oncj160.html

Good find. Points inbound.

;D

 
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