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oh, and don't get me wrong, i wasn't saying 1.5 mos was a long time by anymeans, heh, just saying, what happened to me, taken with a grain of salt
Frustration and venting.
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drebk said:
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drebk
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drebk said:
?, what i meant was, when i said that my file was stuck on someone's desk for 1.5 months b/c they couldn't figure out how to make the program accept it (b/c i had applied once before) that my wait wasn't by any means a long one,
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hmm, i sympathize with you thus far.
it'll be interesting to see now, since i was applying through london and didnt make it for summer bmq.
now i will want to transfer my application up to owen sound with the foresters... this ought to be interesting seeing if it even arrives
it'll be interesting to see now, since i was applying through london and didnt make it for summer bmq.
now i will want to transfer my application up to owen sound with the foresters... this ought to be interesting seeing if it even arrives
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They said i'd make it for summer bmq, 2 weeks before it leaves and still nothing. 
Is it out of my reach now?
Is it out of my reach now?
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Sorry Boys, but I think I hold the title. I just passed my 5 year mark. I got out of the infantry in Nov/98. Healed up and began my reapplication process around May-June/99.
I've been avoiding this site for awhile. Work, school and "other distractions" kept me sane. I'm pleased to report that I'm in the home stretch. I was told that a full review of my Med file is now in w/ Borden. I've jumped through all the hoops, passed all the tests, had all the exams and to be quite honest, they don't have anything else to block me with. I was told that I should hear back by the first week of June (I automatically add at least a month to any CFRC communication estimates).
Best moment, when the PA admitted that the Ortho; whom the military recommended, wasn't going to examine me, and that they had seriously (understatement) recommended that I be examined by a very specific doctor. The very same specialist who had approved me 2 1/2 years ago. So this along with my commercial dive medical, a report on my recent work activities (commercial diving on the West Coast and the Caribbean), my commercial pilot's medical and a nice 3 page letter by the PA pointing out that there is basically no reason to continue stalling me have been in CFRC Borden's grubby little hands for a couple of months now for review.
Will this finally allow me to overcome these bureaucrats? Who knows. I have the support of my future unit and they've been active in the background. Common sense should have allowed me to pass through the que a few years ago. But there is a sense of, "everything happens for a reason." If I had entered when I wanted, I may have returned to the Infantry. Or I may have entered as a PID diver (my 2nd (r) choice). I may not have lived in the Caymans for 6 months last year, or pursued my degree as I'm now doing.
I suppose its all about focusing on the goal and trying to live your life in the meantime. I've had many moments where I've given in to anger or stumbled. But I'm stronger for it now and I believe I'll be a better officer for it. If the system is fucking you around, keep the pressure upon those involved (if you're unsure about something, ask.) and always keep in mind, that this is your life, your career. And no one is going to care for it like you will. The recruiting system is currently overworked and blatantly inefficient. Ce la vie. They're "working on it." So if it takes another year; travel, work, educate yourself and chase girls. What else do you have to do today?
I'm going to head into the sun and maybe I'll get a phone call next week...or next month ;D
I've been avoiding this site for awhile. Work, school and "other distractions" kept me sane. I'm pleased to report that I'm in the home stretch. I was told that a full review of my Med file is now in w/ Borden. I've jumped through all the hoops, passed all the tests, had all the exams and to be quite honest, they don't have anything else to block me with. I was told that I should hear back by the first week of June (I automatically add at least a month to any CFRC communication estimates).
Best moment, when the PA admitted that the Ortho; whom the military recommended, wasn't going to examine me, and that they had seriously (understatement) recommended that I be examined by a very specific doctor. The very same specialist who had approved me 2 1/2 years ago. So this along with my commercial dive medical, a report on my recent work activities (commercial diving on the West Coast and the Caribbean), my commercial pilot's medical and a nice 3 page letter by the PA pointing out that there is basically no reason to continue stalling me have been in CFRC Borden's grubby little hands for a couple of months now for review.
Will this finally allow me to overcome these bureaucrats? Who knows. I have the support of my future unit and they've been active in the background. Common sense should have allowed me to pass through the que a few years ago. But there is a sense of, "everything happens for a reason." If I had entered when I wanted, I may have returned to the Infantry. Or I may have entered as a PID diver (my 2nd (r) choice). I may not have lived in the Caymans for 6 months last year, or pursued my degree as I'm now doing.
I suppose its all about focusing on the goal and trying to live your life in the meantime. I've had many moments where I've given in to anger or stumbled. But I'm stronger for it now and I believe I'll be a better officer for it. If the system is fucking you around, keep the pressure upon those involved (if you're unsure about something, ask.) and always keep in mind, that this is your life, your career. And no one is going to care for it like you will. The recruiting system is currently overworked and blatantly inefficient. Ce la vie. They're "working on it." So if it takes another year; travel, work, educate yourself and chase girls. What else do you have to do today?
I'm going to head into the sun and maybe I'll get a phone call next week...or next month ;D
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I think that most people have a beef with the CFRC over their recruitment. Best advice is to not get discouraged, stay involved in the process (i.e. checking up on your file every week or so). In the end, it's worth it.
Personally, it took me over a year to get in. I harassed this reserve infantry Master Corporal just about every few days (I was at the 6-month mark in my recruitment process, and my file had been lost twice already...I was a mite pissed) about the status of my file. When I finally got in, who do you figure turned out to be my secrion commander on my QL2? And boy, did he ever remember me...
How's THAT for karma? :-[
Personally, it took me over a year to get in. I harassed this reserve infantry Master Corporal just about every few days (I was at the 6-month mark in my recruitment process, and my file had been lost twice already...I was a mite pissed) about the status of my file. When I finally got in, who do you figure turned out to be my secrion commander on my QL2? And boy, did he ever remember me...
How's THAT for karma? :-[
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mua hahahaa Arctic Acorn....I think I know the pretty boy you're talking about...
The recruitment process sucks plain and simple...I did a component transfer to the Reg Force and it took over 6 months...and I was already in the Reserves. And once I became Reg Force, I sat on PAT (Pers Awaiting Trg) platoon for a good couple of months. Just made the best of it and was the best damned canteen queen I could be.
Pretty much everyone goes through this in the Forces, some worse than others. Consider it a right of passage if you will. It'll feel all the better when (or if) you get in.
cheers
The recruitment process sucks plain and simple...I did a component transfer to the Reg Force and it took over 6 months...and I was already in the Reserves. And once I became Reg Force, I sat on PAT (Pers Awaiting Trg) platoon for a good couple of months. Just made the best of it and was the best damned canteen queen I could be.
Pretty much everyone goes through this in the Forces, some worse than others. Consider it a right of passage if you will. It'll feel all the better when (or if) you get in.
cheers
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Was the six month wait a result of the recruiting process or the fact that your reserve unit dragged their feet getting your paperwork to the recruiting centre? The recruiting centre didn't put you in PAT, the managing authority for your occupation did.
Was the six month wait a result of the recruiting process or the fact that your reserve unit dragged their feet getting your paperwork to the recruiting centre? The recruiting centre didn't put you in PAT, the managing authority for your occupation did.
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Ok guys, I spoke too soon ;D
I just received my response from CFRC Borden:
Dear Mr. Enzo,
I have reviewed the medical records accompanying your application to hoin the Canadian Forces. The medical documents indicate that you have had a discectomy in 1998. Accordingly, medical employment limitations have been assigned. Unfortunately, you do not meet the common enrolment standard required by both the regular and reserve forces.
The current common enrolment medical standard ensures that all recruits can achieve high standards of physical fitness and endure severly demanding physical and mental stress for long periods. Military personnel work in extreme climatic conditions and diverse environments including isolated areas where little medical support is available.
While deployed, it may be impossible for a member to maintain access to prescription medication, physician follow-up or laboratory services. Consequently, members who need such services warrant employment limitations. Such limitations are not acceptable for recruits.
Please contact the CFRC Det Victoria for the final decision concerning you application.
I trust this information will be of service to you. If you, or your physician, have further questions I can be reached at the number below. Thank you for your interest in the Canadian Forces.
Sincerely,
The 3rd bloody medical officer to send me one of these form letters.
Honestly, what a bloody insult. Once again, my prior military experience is completely ignored. The 2nd paragraph outlining the trials that may befall me within the CF is nice coming from someone who most likely hasn't seen a ruck since BOTP. The level of ignorance here astounds me. I have a week off next week. I'm wondering if a trip to Borden to have a chat in person w/ this little SOB will highlight exactly how "unfit" I am for service. I'm thinking my 6'4" 215 pound, fit, toned and RCR trained frame will make an impression as the twit nervously reaches for the phone to summon "medical support" :evil:
Unfortunately, I'm a by the book kind of guy. So I'll head down to my chosen unit tomorrow and have a chat. See if we can't find a solution to this mess. Then I'll go about my day with a brief stop at the marina to take a look at this sailboat. Remember boys, while this bureaucratic nonsense is providing comedy for my life, I'm inching closer to my breaking point; then I'm hopping on board and making my way to Central America where I'll be thinking of CF matters from the comfort of my hammock.
I'll keep ya posted, as the BS turns eh.
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It's a good thing I'm stubborn and driven, because to be honest; I'm better than the people who initialed that form letter.
I just received my response from CFRC Borden:
Dear Mr. Enzo,
I have reviewed the medical records accompanying your application to hoin the Canadian Forces. The medical documents indicate that you have had a discectomy in 1998. Accordingly, medical employment limitations have been assigned. Unfortunately, you do not meet the common enrolment standard required by both the regular and reserve forces.
The current common enrolment medical standard ensures that all recruits can achieve high standards of physical fitness and endure severly demanding physical and mental stress for long periods. Military personnel work in extreme climatic conditions and diverse environments including isolated areas where little medical support is available.
While deployed, it may be impossible for a member to maintain access to prescription medication, physician follow-up or laboratory services. Consequently, members who need such services warrant employment limitations. Such limitations are not acceptable for recruits.
Please contact the CFRC Det Victoria for the final decision concerning you application.
I trust this information will be of service to you. If you, or your physician, have further questions I can be reached at the number below. Thank you for your interest in the Canadian Forces.
Sincerely,
The 3rd bloody medical officer to send me one of these form letters.
Honestly, what a bloody insult. Once again, my prior military experience is completely ignored. The 2nd paragraph outlining the trials that may befall me within the CF is nice coming from someone who most likely hasn't seen a ruck since BOTP. The level of ignorance here astounds me. I have a week off next week. I'm wondering if a trip to Borden to have a chat in person w/ this little SOB will highlight exactly how "unfit" I am for service. I'm thinking my 6'4" 215 pound, fit, toned and RCR trained frame will make an impression as the twit nervously reaches for the phone to summon "medical support" :evil:
Unfortunately, I'm a by the book kind of guy. So I'll head down to my chosen unit tomorrow and have a chat. See if we can't find a solution to this mess. Then I'll go about my day with a brief stop at the marina to take a look at this sailboat. Remember boys, while this bureaucratic nonsense is providing comedy for my life, I'm inching closer to my breaking point; then I'm hopping on board and making my way to Central America where I'll be thinking of CF matters from the comfort of my hammock.
I'll keep ya posted, as the BS turns eh.
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It's a good thing I'm stubborn and driven, because to be honest; I'm better than the people who initialed that form letter.
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Gah. CFRC. Don't get my started. When I did my Interview I asked my Interviewer "I get off of class on the 18th, but won't have acces to my Grade 10 transcripts till the 29th, after BMQ starts. I spoke to my Vice Principle who said he could write a note explaining how I met the educational requirements. Would that be okay?" she said yes. On the 21st I went in to drop it off and get it forwarded to unit so I could be kitted out and sworn in Wednesday. No dice. "The person who handles this sort of exception is on vacation right now" I was told. Well fuck. So anyway I called my recruiter down at the unit who luckily got it all sorted out, so I'm still prolly gonna make it for summer. Close one though.
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Hey, it worked. So what's the consensus kids, should I forge ahead with the CF, or bail and go live my life in the warm caress of the sunny tropics on a boat such as this (where even warmer arms and cooler beers await? :evil: )
Let's here your thoughts?
Let's here your thoughts?
That is a sweet, sweet boat! I'm envious to say the least.
Unless your hammock's beckoning is becoming irresistable, I'd say continue in your pursuit to re-join the CF. You are obviously motivated, something the CF needs in the troops. Easy for me to say to keep at it, not being in the same situation myself, but I do hope you give it one more shot.
Good luck!
Unless your hammock's beckoning is becoming irresistable, I'd say continue in your pursuit to re-join the CF. You are obviously motivated, something the CF needs in the troops. Easy for me to say to keep at it, not being in the same situation myself, but I do hope you give it one more shot.
Good luck!
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Well there go my hopes. I get a call from one of the guys down at the unit and he says he's going down to CFRC to get my file and I'll be coming in later to do all my paperwork and such. Woot. So I have a shower, get my wallet and bus pass etc and wait for the call. I get the call. He tells me that my file is ready to be forwarded to the unit right, but some Captain who has to sign that sort of thing is not at CFRC today.. So I'm fucked out of 2 months of training because some Captain isn't there to sign off on something to move a file from one building to another. Unbealivable.
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For those of you who've been following my attempt to return to military life (just go back upon my name here, I vented huge months ago) I thank you for you time and attention.
I went to my chosen unit today and we had a chat. Basically, the CF is not in need of my services as I have been found unfit for duty due to my disectomy from 1998 (a gift from my time in the infantry). I've been told that it would be easier if I hadn't any previous time in. Bottom line. I regretfully have to come to terms with the fact that I need to move on with "my" life. I didn't have the opportunity to serve my country as I always thought that I would, but I did have some good times in the infantry once, and I'll always have that.
I'm going to finish my Assoc. Arts Degree (which I began as a prerequisite to being an officer) but after that, I'm heading south out of Canada in a small boat to return to diving in the tropics.
For the record, I am more than fit for service, but the CF apparently does not require my services. I feel that that is a shame, but it is only my opinion. I have fought for 5 years to return. I'm sorry it didn't work out.
I'm going to ask CFRC to keep my file open. Maybe one day another person with a brain will take a look at my file and not be afraid to think about "who" I am or what I have to offer (not to mention that if the person who continuously "reviews" my file may one day depart CFRC allowing another to examine me without prejudice). Until then, I remain a civilian. Not so much by choice, as by circumstance. Also for the record, I have to live with my decision. I chose to leave the army after my injury to heal. I am fit, so I have to believe that was a good decision.
Always be hopeful. I will miss this lifestyle, but I've been away for half a decade, what's the remainder of my life eh?
Cheers boys, all the best.
Enzo...
I went to my chosen unit today and we had a chat. Basically, the CF is not in need of my services as I have been found unfit for duty due to my disectomy from 1998 (a gift from my time in the infantry). I've been told that it would be easier if I hadn't any previous time in. Bottom line. I regretfully have to come to terms with the fact that I need to move on with "my" life. I didn't have the opportunity to serve my country as I always thought that I would, but I did have some good times in the infantry once, and I'll always have that.
I'm going to finish my Assoc. Arts Degree (which I began as a prerequisite to being an officer) but after that, I'm heading south out of Canada in a small boat to return to diving in the tropics.
For the record, I am more than fit for service, but the CF apparently does not require my services. I feel that that is a shame, but it is only my opinion. I have fought for 5 years to return. I'm sorry it didn't work out.
I'm going to ask CFRC to keep my file open. Maybe one day another person with a brain will take a look at my file and not be afraid to think about "who" I am or what I have to offer (not to mention that if the person who continuously "reviews" my file may one day depart CFRC allowing another to examine me without prejudice). Until then, I remain a civilian. Not so much by choice, as by circumstance. Also for the record, I have to live with my decision. I chose to leave the army after my injury to heal. I am fit, so I have to believe that was a good decision.
Always be hopeful. I will miss this lifestyle, but I've been away for half a decade, what's the remainder of my life eh?
Cheers boys, all the best.
Enzo...
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SFontaine
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Hey Enzo why don't you head to the UK or the US? Pair of countries who know how to treat their soldiers.
