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General Mattis’ next mission: Destroying the PTSD victim myth

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General Mattis’ next mission: Destroying the PTSD victim myth

https://www.military1.com/navy/article/461498-general-mattis-next-mission-destroying-the-ptsd-victim-myth/

 
I'm surprised Gen Matthis didn't slap anyone across the face with his riding gloves, or threaten to pull out his ivory-handled Colt to ensure that the veterans didn't accept the "victimhood of PTSD" label. While I agree that we should not equate mental health problems with being a victim, I'm not sure that I understand the General's point when he talks about a "disease mentality".

Furthermore, the article author's comments "So what's the problem? We fought, we got a little screwed-up, and now civilians try to get us to talk about it a lot. Big deal." suggests that it probably is a big deal for him.
 
ArmyDoc said:
I'm surprised Gen Matthis didn't slap anyone across the face with his riding gloves, or threaten to pull out his ivory-handled Colt to ensure that the veterans didn't accept the "victimhood of PTSD" label. While I agree that we should not equate mental health problems with being a victim, I'm not sure that I understand the General's point when he talks about a "disease mentality".

Furthermore, the article author's comments "So what's the problem? We fought, we got a little screwed-up, and now civilians try to get us to talk about it a lot. Big deal." suggests that it probably is a big deal for him.

He may have a different audience in mind appart from veterans, given that Trump has him lined up for Sec Def.
 
I think is point is in line with what we have be doing with the idea of an OSI. It is an injury and injuries can heal. A disorder is something you have for life

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There is an excellent book on this very subject.  A Vietnam vet, supply officer by the name of Burnell (sic) researched and showed that anti war mental health professionals are largely responsible for the epidemic of PTSD following that war.  Seems their therapy was for veterans to confess their "sins" in group sessions and accept that what they did in war was wrong.  Combined with drugs they convinced a generation of veterans that they were the bad guys. 
 
I'm pretty sure the intent is to get away from the passive "victim mentality" and "woe is me" posturing about PTSD and take a more activist approach to identifying it, mitigating the effects and re integrating people (including self help). Giving PTSD sufferers agency is also a pretty powerful tool as well.

I know the general attitude among non service members (and sadly among a lot of serving members as well) is that PTSD is some sort of permanent disability which either renders sufferers as helpless, homeless people on the street or homicidal maniacs who flip out unexpectedly, so the "victim" narrative needs to be changed pretty drastically to allow for real help and reintegration to occur.
 
ArmyDoc said:
Furthermore, the article author's comments "So what's the problem? We fought, we got a little screwed-up, and now civilians try to get us to talk about it  a lot. Big deal."

I wonder if that is a sign of the times?

eg: After 9/11 a small army of some 9,000 brain specialists  mental health professionals flocked into New York City.


Lightguns said:
A Vietnam vet, supply officer by the name of Burnell (sic) researched and showed that anti war mental health professionals are largely responsible for the epidemic of PTSD following that war.

Just my uneducated opinion,

The advent of psychotropic drugs able to manage psychotic episodes led to deinstitutionalization of long-term psychiatric hospitals.

Deinstitutionalization led to un/under-employment of many mental health professionals.

The military, and emergency services, supply a source of patients.

Their government employers provide the funding.

That funding keeps many mental health professionals employed.

I'm not an expert. That's just my opinion, and I could be wrong.

 
As for General Mattis's, he stated back 2014 that some participants come out of war as better human beings/soldiers/Marines and that 'not everyone who served are damaged goods'.

Mental health professionals have struggled for decades with where to put PTSD and OSI on the mental health spectrum.  In the same way that the medical community has struggled with putting autistic people on the functional spectrum, so much so that they created an autism spectrum. 

Getting PTSD, OSI and autism adequately defined in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (now DSM V) which is the American Psychiatric Association's classification and diagnostic tool.  Gulf War syndrome resulted in some in the medical community to create a diagnosis of MUPS or multiple unexplained physical symptoms as well as multiple chemical sensitivities. There is a longstanding and still raging battle within the mental health community as to whether PTSD and OSI should be used to classify a patient's symptoms as most elements can only be described by the suffer, can be faked, but cannot be scientifically proven.  One physician I worked with defined it as attempting to disprove that there is an invisible cat in the room with you.
 
Outside the estate where Trump held court this weekend, Trump deemed Mattis "the real deal." How sweet. Here are 6 more facts you need to know about him:
1. He served over four decades in the marines.

Mattis spent 44 years in the Marine Corps, rising in the ranks and ultimately running the U.S. Central Command. He retired from the post in 2013, which means...
2. Technically, he's not eligible for this job.

Federal law stipulates that the secretary of defense cannot have been on active duty for at least seven years, so, if Mattis is confirmed, he'll need Congress to issue him a waiver in order to take the position. Given that Republicans control both chambers, it doesn't seem Mattis has reason to be worried about it. It "would likely be a formality," according to CNN. Rules—why bother!
3. His nicknames are "Warrior Monk" and "Mad Dog," so you know he's chill.

At 66, Mattis has never been married and has no children. His single-minded focus on and penchant for combat have earned him these cute nicknames. Really paints a picture of just the kind of slow and cautious dude I want to guide of our armed forces.
4. He thinks it's "fun to shoot some people."

Discussing the use of force in Afghanistan, Mattis said in 2005 that he enjoyed the violence. "You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil," he said. "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left, anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them. Actually, it's a lot of fun to fight. You know, it's a hell of a hoot."

"It's fun to shoot some people," he added. "I'll be right up front with you; I like brawling."

The comments generated considerable controversy. Responding, Mattis later said that he should have chosen his words more carefully.
5. He's a reader!
Mad Dog

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Some good news! Mattis is a "voracious reader," according to the Telegraph. He has at least 6,000 books in his personal library and likes to carry a book of quotes from Marcus Aurelius, the Roman emperor and stoic, into battle.
6. He's a critic of the Iran deal (but he doesn't think we can scrap it).

Delivering a speech at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in April 2016, Mattis said that he believed the Obama administration had been too lenient with Iran and was naïve to accept the terms of the nuclear deal. But he isn't about to propose America start from scratch. "What we achieved was a nuclear pause, not a nuclear halt. We're going to have to plan for the worst," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/14/politics/james-mattis-trump-defense/
 
And your point is, what, beachdown? Do you have a comment or an observation to add concerning Gen Mattis?
 
Confrontational much? My point is in answer to the previous post...Mattis was chosen from the list of candidates

Who made you the gatekeeper?

SeaKingTacco said:
And your point is, what, beachdown? Do you have a comment or an observation to add concerning Gen Mattis?
 
beachdown said:
Confrontational much? My point is in answer to the previous post...Mattis was chosen from the list of candidates

Who made you the gatekeeper?

Not gatekeeping. Post what you like, but your linkage to the previous post was not as obvious to me as you probably assume.
 
Thanks for coming out  :salute:

SeaKingTacco said:
Not gatekeeping. Post what you like, but your linkage to the previous post was not as obvious to me as you probably assume.
 
beachdown said:
Thanks for coming out  :salute:

I think you might want to start downshifting big rig... you're currently heading down a steep hill.

I have been keeping up with your posts across the various fora and you really come off as confrontational, as if your posts are the one truth and nothing else matters.
 
Flavus101 said:
I think you might want to start downshifting big rig... you're currently heading down a steep hill.

I have been keeping up with your posts across the various fora and you really come off as confrontational, as if your posts are the one truth and nothing else matters.

You awarded +150 Milpoints.  :)
 
beachdown said:
Thanks for coming out  :salute:
Now I'm not smart about things but I'd say you're being a bit of a smart ass....which is ok if you're me... which your not....
 
Hamish Seggie said:
Now I'm not smart about things but I'd say you're being a bit of a smart ass....which is ok if you're me... which your not....
  :rofl:
 
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