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Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France

cupper

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New York Times is reporting that one of the pilot's was locked out of the cockpit, and could not reenter. If this indeed the case, security measures to harden the cockpit taken after 9/11 may need a rethink to prevent situations like this in the future. Although, just listening to an interview with former pilot and member of an aviation safety group says that there are procedures in place that require a flight crew member to take the place of the pilot when leaving the cockpit, and apparently there are alternate means of entering the cockpit which he wold not reveal for security issues.

Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

PARIS — As officials struggled Wednesday to explain why a jet with 150 people on board crashed in relatively clear skies, an investigator said evidence from a cockpit voice recorder indicated one pilot left the cockpit before the plane’s descent and was unable to get back in.

A senior military official involved in the investigation described “very smooth, very cool” conversation between the pilots during the early part of the flight from Barcelona to Düsseldorf. Then the audio indicated that one of the pilots left the cockpit and could not re-enter.

“The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” the investigator said. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.”

He said, “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down.”

While the audio seemed to give some insight into the circumstances leading up to the Germanwings crash, it also left many questions unanswered.

"We don’t know yet the reason why one of the guys went out,” said the official, who requested anonymity because the investigation is continuing. "But what is sure is that at the very end of the flight, the other pilot is alone and does not open the door."

The managing director of Germanwings confirmed on Wednesday that two Americans were among the 150 killed when an Airbus crashed in the French Alps. Video by Reuters on Publish Date March 25, 2015. Photo by Emilio Morenatti/Associated Press.
The data from the voice recorder seems only to deepen the mystery surrounding the crash and provides no indication of the condition or activity of the pilot who remained in the cockpit. The descent from 38,000 feet over about 10 minutes was alarming but still gradual enough to indicate that the twin-engine Airbus A320 had not been damaged catastrophically . At no point during the descent was there any communication from the cockpit to air traffic controllers or any other signal of an emergency.

When the plane plowed into craggy mountains northeast of Nice, it was traveling with enough speed that it was all but pulverized, killing the 144 passengers and crew of six and leaving behind almost no apparent clues about what caused the crash.

The French aviation authorities have made public very little, officially, about the nature of the information that has been recovered from the audio recording, and it was not clear whether it was partial or complete. France’s Bureau of Investigations and Analyses confirmed only that human voices and other cockpit sounds had been detected and would be subjected to detailed analysis.

Asked about the new evidence revealed in the cockpit recordings, Martine del Bono, a bureau spokeswoman, declined to comment.

"Our teams continue to work on analyzing the CVR,” she said, referring to the cockpit voice recorder. "As soon as we have accurate information we intend to hold a press conference.”

Meanwhile, prosecutors in Marseille, who have been charged with a separate criminal inquiry into the crash, could not immediately be reached for comment. Brice Robin, the Marseille prosecutor, was due to meet Thursday morning with the families of the crash victims.

At the crash site, a senior official working on the investigation said, workers found the casing of the plane’s other black box, the flight data recorder, but the memory card containing data on the plane’s altitude, speed, location and condition was not inside, apparently having been thrown loose or destroyed by the impact.

Rémi Jouty, the director of the French Bureau of Investigations and Analysis, said at a news conference that the plane took off at around 10 a.m. local time from Barcelona and that the last message sent from the pilot to air traffic controllers had been at 10:30 a.m., which indicated that the plane was proceeding on course.

But minutes later, the plane inexplicably began to descend, Mr. Jouty said. At 10:40 and 47 seconds, the plane reported its last radar position, at an altitude of 6,175 feet. “The radar could follow the plane until the point of impact,” he said.

Mr. Jouty said the plane slammed into a mountainside and disintegrated, scattering debris over a wide area, and making it difficult to analyze what had happened.

It often takes months or even years to determine the causes of plane crashes, but a little more than a year after the disappearance of a Malaysian airlines jetliner that has never been found, the loss of the Germanwings flight is shaping up to be particularly perplexing to investigators.

The French aviation authorities have recovered an audio file from the cockpit voice recorder, but did not say whether it was partial or complete. Credit Bureau d'Enquetes et d'Analyses, via Associated Press
One of the main questions outstanding is why the pilots did not communicate with air traffic controllers as the plane began its unusual descent, suggesting that either the pilots or the plane’s automated systems may have been trying to maintain control of the aircraft as it lost altitude.

Among the theories that have been put forward by air safety analysts not involved in the investigation is the possibility that the pilots could have been incapacitated by a sudden event such as a fire or a drop in cabin pressure.

A senior French official involved in the investigation, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that the lack of communication from the pilots during the plane’s descent was disturbing, and that the possibility that their silence was deliberate could not be ruled out.

“I don’t like it,” said the French official, who cautioned that his initial analysis was based on the very limited information currently available. “To me, it seems very weird: this very long descent at normal speed without any communications, though the weather was absolutely clear.”

French emergency services resumed work on Wednesday. Credit Alberto Estevez/European Pressphoto Agency
This official said that the lack of communication suggested that the pilots might have been incapacitated as a result of an onboard failure such as a loss of cabin pressure, which could have deprived the crew members of oxygen.

While all pilots are equipped with emergency oxygen masks, the pilots would first have to be aware that a depressurization had occurred, the official said.

“If for any reason they don’t detect the problem in time, they would black out,” the official said.

“So far, we don’t have any evidence that points clearly to a technical explanation,” the official said. “So we have to consider the possibility of deliberate human responsibility.”

French emergency services resumed work on Wednesday near the crash site of a Germanwings jet. Credit Peter Kneffel/European Pressphoto Agency
Mr. Jouty said it was far too early in the investigation to speculate about possible causes.

“At this moment I have no beginning of a scenario,” Mr. Jouty said. However, he said there was not yet any evidence available that would support either a theory of a depressurization or of a midair explosion

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Speaking on the French radio station RTL, Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said on Wednesday morning that terrorism was not a likely “hypothesis at the moment,” but that no theories had been definitively excluded. Mr. Cazeneuve said the size of the area over which debris was scattered suggested that the aircraft had not exploded in the air but rather had disintegrated on impact.

Lufthansa, the parent company of Germanwings, has characterized the crash as an accident. The airline has not disclosed the identities of the pilots, except to say that the captain was a 10-year veteran with more than 6,000 hours of flying time in A320s.

The French Bureau of Investigations and Analysis, which is leading the technical inquiry into the crash, sent seven investigators to the crash site on Tuesday. They have been joined by their counterparts from Germany, as well as by technical advisers from Airbus and CFM International, the manufacturer of the plane’s engines.

Speaking on Europe 1 radio, Jean-Paul Troadec, a former director of the French air accident investigation bureau, said one of the big challenges for investigators would be to protect the debris at the crash site from any inadvertent damage.

“We need to ensure that all the evidence is well preserved,” Mr. Troadec said, referring both to the pieces of the plane littered across the steep slopes as well as to the remains of the victims. The identification of the victims will most likely require matching DNA from the remains with samples from relatives.

The recovery effort will be a laborious task, given the state of the wreckage, the difficult terrain and the fact that the crash site is so remote that it could be reached only by helicopter.

Cabin depressurization, one of the possibilities speculated about on Wednesday, has occurred before, perhaps most notably in the crash of a Cypriot passenger plane in 2005 that killed all 121 people on board as it approached Athens. In that case, Helios Airways Flight 522, a slow loss of pressure rendered both pilots and all the passengers on the Boeing 737 jet unconscious for more than three-quarters of an hour before the aircraft ran out of fuel and slammed into a wooded gorge near the Greek capital.

Investigators eventually determined that the primary cause of that crash was a series of human errors, including deficient maintenance checks on the ground and a failure by the pilots to heed emergency warning signals.
 

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The crash was a deliberate act by the co-pilot.Stunning.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/26/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-main/index.html
 

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The story changes so much in the weeks after these crashes, so I am going to wait a bit before saying anything.
 

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"New cockpit policy for Air Canada
Following the fatal Germanwings crash, Air Canada has announced it will be implementing a policy change requiring two crew members to be in the cockpit of all flights at all times."
http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/new-cockpit-policy-for-air-canada-1.2298727

As seen on Youtube, "Airbus Reinforced Cockpit Door Description and Procedure"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=30&v=ixEHV7c3VXs
 
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If there's any silver lining to this sad story it is that at least the passengers did not realize what was happening until the very end and the end was quick.  My thoughts go out to all the families affected by this tragedy. 
 

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Their last moments were of sheer terror.If there is a hell I hope that Andreas Lubitz pays for eternity for taking so many lives senselessly.
 

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tomahawk6 said:
The airlines will be requiring three crew in the cockpit.

I heard in Canada it will be two. In either case, will that mean more flight crew on the plane or just that those present will have to pretty much  make sure there is always at least 2 of them in the cockpit?
 

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Its not suggested they have three pilots, only that when one of the two pilots needs to leave the flight deck they are replaced by a member of the cabin crew.  That member of the cabin crew is not expected to be able to fly the plane, only to be a second person there in the event the remaining pilot takes ill or, as in this tragic case, attempts to lock the other pilot out and harm the plane and passengers.  That doesn't mean the remaining pilot can't take out the member of the cabin crew but they could have also done that with the other pilot too but it still cuts down the risk. 
 

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21.20 We reported earlier that German police were searching the home of the co-pilot, Andreas Lubitz, for anything that might help explain why he would have deliberately crashed the plane.

There are now reports that police recovered something of significance in the flat on the outskirts of Dusseldorf that they are treating as a clue. They gave no indications as to what that might be, but we hope to have further updates soon.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11491587/Airbus-A320-crashes-in-French-Alps-with-148-people-on-board-live.html
 

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They found a sick note for the day of the flight.Maybe in the future the doctor will inform the airline when a pilot or aircrew is given a sick note.As for the 3 pilots reports indicate there is a jump seat in the cockpit for a third pilot.Its common for airline pilots to fly when off duty,instead of being seated in coach they can fly seated in the jump seat.
 

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Reports of s serious depressive episode that excused him from a 1.5 year of training. 

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/germanwings%20crash/germanwings-co-pilot-had-serious-depressive-episode-bild-newspaper/ar-AAa4xk7?ocid=iehp
 

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tomahawk6 said:
Their last moments were of sheer terror.

Their last moments have been reported.

"Terrified Germanwings passengers screamed for more than five minutes as the doomed plane crashed"
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/terrified-germanwings-passengers-screamed-more-5424516

 

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cupper said:
Although, just listening to an interview with former pilot and member of an aviation safety group says that there are procedures in place that require a flight crew member to take the place of the pilot when leaving the cockpit, and apparently there are alternate means of entering the cockpit which he wold not reveal for security issues.

There are fail-safes procedures, however they can all be overridden from within the cockpit. Such appears to have been the case here unfortunately.
 

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http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/31/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-main/

Reports: Video found in wreckage shows Germanwings flight's final seconds


Dusseldorf, Germany (CNN)Video found in the wreckage on a French mountainside shows the nightmarish final seconds of Germanwings Flight 9525, reports said Tuesday.

Taken on a cell phone, the video "was so chaotic that it was hard to identify people, but the sounds of the screaming passengers made it perfectly clear that they were aware of what was about to happen to them," according to the French magazine Paris Match, which obtained the video along with the German newspaper Bild.

"One can hear cries of 'My God' in several languages. Metallic banging can also be heard more than three times, perhaps of the pilot trying to open the cockpit door with a heavy object. Towards the end, after a heavy shake, stronger than the others, the screaming intensifies. Then nothing," Paris Match reports.

The two publications described the video but did not post the video itself.
 

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Watched this on TV the other night. Eerie similarity to the real thing.

"The Oscar-nominated film Wild Tales has been released despite a scene in which a pilot locks himself in the cabin and crashes a plane full of passengers."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/11501295/Plane-crash-film-released-days-after-Germanwings-disaster.html
 
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