Kat Stevens said:Why not? You're very good at it....
Reccesoldier said:The "Ideal" of communism is a fable, a bedtime story for statists with totalitarian dreams. I believe it can and never will be realized. In order to construct a communist state you have to have complete and utter control. Any such control must be exercised by someone, the Communist ideology did not do away with classes it created a new ruling class, the apparatchik which replaced the Bourgeoisie. Therefore I put Communism in the same class, and light as Anarchism. It will never work in the real world.
Wayne Coady said:There is an undercurrent of thought among Canadians who, as they observe and examine how the present political system operates in this country, have concluded we must regain control of our government. This is a government that, at all levels, has increasingly become populated by professionals who have joined the political parties that have usurped what once was government for and by the people.
The professionals I refer to are the lawyers and doctors who have joined the professional politicians whose aim is to establish tenure for themselves and, in some instances, their progeny. The motivating force behind these dynasties has to be the money, power and perks that accrue as one becomes entrenched within the system.
Unfortunately for he rest of us, our governments have become out of touch and unresponsive to the real needs of the people.
These â Å“professionalâ ? politicians have assessed their own worth through so called independent advisors( usually ex-politicians or those closely involved with political parties ) and pay themselves very well indeed ~ compared to most of the working people who are expected to foot the bill.
And why not ? Lawyers come from a profession that has been granted the right to police its members ( Barrister's Society ) and similar privileges are extended to inoculate medical doctors from censure by any means other than the College of Physicians and Surgeons.
All very tidy and protective. Even the most blatant examples of abuse by erring members of these professions have gone unpunished ~ or, with the proverbial â Å“slap on the wristâ ?.
Those of you here who would disagree that the public perception is wrong are, yet again, demonstrating just how â Å“out of touchâ ? you really are. I would remind you that the former tenants in the Palace of Versailles and the royals of Czarist Russia held similar attitudes many years ago and reaped the whirlwind when their subjects ceased to believe or be intimidated by the myth.
In this country(Canada) today, the myth is promulgated and perpetuated that there is good government .
Good for whom? Mostly for the professionals and their professional societies that have been granted the right to administer their own law as it pertains to their profession. Who granted that right? Answer: Government, through legislative action by its members. Who are those members? Many come from the membership rolls of the very same societies who benefit from their protective legislation . Proving again that, in some instances, â Å“incest IS bestâ ?.
Further, professionals are largely responsible for these â Å“governmentsâ ? and should be well-paid ( at a commensurate level )for their input. This in a country that has in excess of Billion dollars in debt and an infrastructure that is on a downward spiral because of politicians and governments whose vision was restricted by politics and the inability to see beyond the tip of their nose.
No wonder governments in this country have been chastised for operating in SECRECY ! When you continually grow debt, provide poorly considered legislation and only a reactive response in crises, I guess you really don't want the world ( and certainly, the electorate ) to know just how poorly equipped you REALLY are at governing.
The highly deserving and august professionals I refer to are, ostensibly, theâ ? cream of the cropâ ? ~ lawyers and doctors trained to the nth degree in the intricacies of your professions but without , one must suspect, of never having been exposed to the nuances of morals, ethics and, particularly, empathy as they made their way through university.
The public perception, I'm sure , is that all of you professionals should be more than capable of shouldering the responsibilities inherent in government ~ but they have unfailingly demonstrated the opposite time and again by the results.
They are probably one of the best illustrations of that old saw, â Å“ The Ark was built by an amateur but, .... the TITANIC was built by professionals !â ?
This country slowly goes under as the rest of us continue to endure under the bad faith legislation you â Å“ professional politicians â Å“ have enacted in their half-hearted attempt to justify the raises they eagerly take for themselves as often as possible.
Considering all the training these professionals have undergone, I can't believe any of them would stoop so low as to cheat on those courses you took that culminated in your being granted degrees.
That said, I can only conclude that the bad faith legislation they were either a party to or tacitly endorse today, is not the result of a mistake or any error in judgement. No ~ this legislation was maliciously calculated to confuse and confound we citizens ~ who have been forced to rely on the "government".
I can only hope that when the next election is called, that we are all wise enough to not support or vote for a candidate who represents a political party.
This is a government that, at all levels, has increasingly become populated by professionals who have joined the political parties that have usurped what once was government for and by the people.
whiskey601 said:As a lawyer, I must say that I respect and support your right to freedom of political thought, political speech and expression. heck, for $200 an hour I'll even make sure nobody interferes with you while you are doing it. That's my good natured side.
Rant on:
My off tempered side wants to grab you by the shoulders and in a purely literary sense throw you roughly to the ground. I won't kick you in the balls because you probably don't have any, so I'll simply hold my foot to your neck.
I started to respond to your post on a point by point basis, but your irrational loathing, hatred and contempt for lawyers and doctors are obviously masking what must surely be an outstanding example of a neurotic, psychopathic, tripe spewing idiot. I bet when somebody finally belts you in the mouth, the first thing you will do after your privilged doctor patches you up is call a lawyer to sue the person who finally couldn't stand to hear you anymore. After that, you will probably call the police to enforce one of those awful criminal code laws put in place by the state to protect only the priviliged. Unless of course they all band together in a conspiracy to oppress you even further.
Rant off.
Have a nice day Mr. Coady, and be sure to call a lawyer when your world comes crumbling down.
Atticus: Where have you seen signs of a freemarket system here in Canada or China? When you see larger corporation lobbying "government" to put in place legislation / regulations that only they can do business under and forcing the small mom and pop business out, surely this is not what you call a "freemarket model ". No Atticus, here in Canada we do not have a freemarket system, we do not live in a true democracy, we live in a society controlled by the few and that my friend is an "OLICHACHY" .atticus said:Acually its quite true that if the world was perfect and no man had greed communism would probably work. Its doubtful that it would ever work as it should though. If you look at China it's somewhat working (though whats with the free markets spotted all over? I guess they figured out free markets make more money than one with a heavy collar on it).
Wayne Coady said:Atticus: Where have you seen signs of a freemarket system here in Canada or China? When you see larger corporation lobbying "government" to put in place legislation / regulations that only they can do business under and forcing the small mom and pop business out, surely this is not what you call a "freemarket model ". No Atticus, here in Canada we do not have a freemarket system, we do not live in a true democracy, we live in a society controlled by the few and that my friend is an "OLICHACHY" .
Infanteer said:Actually, I think it is fair to say that Representative Democracy is an Oligarchy - with one key difference; the US Declaration of Independence points it out with:
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
Notice the emphasis - there was no hijacking. Mr Coady is correct to point out that a disparate number of our politicians have been Lawyers from Quebec (the last 4 Prime Minsters were), but the only reason this is a fact is because we, the vox populi, gave them the consent to govern.
So, the long term answer, IMHO, is more direct democracy (I like the idea of the Athenian Lot) - the short
term answer is probably for Mr Coady to quit harping at an entire class of people (remember, painting with a broad brush isn't a good thing - not all soldiers are baby-killers) and to get involved with politics, saving us from the scourge of white-collar obfuscation.... ^-^
Wayne Coady said:So when a person states an opinion or proposes reforming the way we have been electing "government" you tag it as harping? Now if we were to go with your idea Athrerian Lot "government" we would end up with an assembly of all and only male citizens voting on decisions directly, thus leaving out our female citizens, surely you did not mean that and if you did, then I harping. Imagine, a bunch of white modern day male lawyers making all of the decision, dam that is what we almost have now, isn't it ?
Athrerian "government was between the 4th and 6th century BC, I would like to see a more advance thinking "government" .
Wayne Coady said:So when a person states an opinion or proposes reforming the way we have been electing "government" you tag it as harping?
Now if we were to go with your idea Athrerian Lot "government" we would end up with an assembly of all and only male citizens voting on decisions directly, thus leaving out our female citizens, surely you did not mean that and if you did, then I harping. Imagine, a bunch of white modern day male lawyers making all of the decision, dam that is what we almost have now, isn't it?
Athrerian "government was between the 4th and 6th century BC, I would like to see a more advance thinking "government" .