• Thanks for stopping by. Logging in to a registered account will remove all generic ads. Please reach out with any questions or concerns.

GG's request to visit Afghanistan denied twice

vangemeren

Full Member
Inactive
Reaction score
0
Points
210
GG's request to visit Afghanistan denied twice
Updated Wed. May. 31 2006 6:37 AM ET

Canadian Press

OTTAWA -- Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean has asked and been twice denied a greenlight to visit troops in Afghanistan while watching the prime minister and foreign affairs minister make the same visit, The Canadian Press has learned.

Sources say security concerns were cited as a reason for advising the Governor General not to make the same trip made by Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay.

Jean, who is commander-in-chief of Canada's armed forces, told military officials early this year she wanted to visit the Kandahar military base, where 2,200 Canadian troops are stationed.

The Governor General also asked to visit Canadian aid workers at a nearby provincial reconstruction camp.

But she was told such a trip would be fraught with danger and it would be best if she waited.

She was also told that the trip could compromise military operations.

Jean then watched the prime minister make the very same trip in March after she was advised by DND officials not to go.

Jean asked again after Harper and Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor made their surprise visit to the strife-torn country.

Again, Jean was told conditions on the ground were too dangerous to permit a trip to the region.

Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay made his own surprise trip to Afghanistan earlier this month after the Governor General's second request was given the cold shoulder.

"It was deemed that they would look at a date later on,'' said one federal official.

"They will look at an appropriate date but that date has not been found.''

That official said that Jean's desire to visit aid workers outside the main base complicated matters.

However, Harper, MacKay and O'Connor have all made the 15-minute journey by helicopter to visit soldiers in the provincial reconstruction team.



The teams include RCMP officers, Canadian development workers, and Foreign Affairs diplomats training their Afghan counterparts.

One source with knowledge of the discussions said the Governor General's initial interest in going to Afghanistan was greeted enthusiastically by military officials, who saw the journey by the popular head of state as a morale-booster.

The governor general received encouragement from Chief of Defence Staff Rick Hillier, Canada's senior military official. But he warned her that the timing wasn't right.

"We're doing a lot of stuff on the ground over there,'' said military spokesman Capt. Vance White.

"We need to make sure everything is secure _ both for any visitors that go over and to make sure ongoing operations . . . go off without any concerns.''

Former governor general Adrienne Clarkson visited Canadian troops in Afghanistan on New Year's Day 2005. Those soldiers were based in the relatively more secure environment of the capital of Kabul.

Harper spent three days on the base in March. He also visited the reconstruction camp, where he spoke to government workers and toured a training facility for bomb-defusing experts.

The base and camp are located at the opposite ends of Kandahar. Canadian troops have been attacked by insurgents while passing through the antiquated city of mud-brick huts and dusty desert patches.

The Governor General apparently wants to go badly enough that she might simply offer to limit her visit to the heavily guarded base.

"If the security situation continues to be somewhat tenuous (she) will rethink . . . (her) program.''


http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060530/jean_afghan_060530/20060531?hub=Canada
 
I'm just wondering if its because of the size of her entourage that would go also.......
 
Perhaps this isn't the best reply I have ever crafted...

But she should keep her seperatist butt the heck away from most of the military members I have ever talked to about how they feel about Ms Jean.

my .02

That goes double for me, I havent a got a second of time for that woman unless I was ordered to and even then after a quick Mam I would leave.

 
HitorMiss said:
Perhaps this isn't the best reply I have ever crafted...

But she should keep her seperatist butt the heck away from most of the military members I have ever talked to about how they feel about Ms Jean.

my .02

That goes double for me, I havent a got a second of time for that woman unless I was ordered to and even then after a quick Mam I would leave.

You do realize you're speaking about our Commander-in-Chief? If she's as undeserving of her office as you seem to think, maybe you could explain to us just why that might be? Don't you think the troops in Kandahar should have a visit from their CinC? After all, meeting our soldiers face-to-face seems to have a pretty powerful positive effect on everybdy from NDP MPs to  entertainers to reporters, so maybe it would do HE a bit of good?

Cheers
 
Wow took longer then I thought to be called on that one.

Yes I am well aware she is my Commander and Chief that would be why I would have the proper respect for her title and call her mam. However I do indeed feel she is totally undeserving of her postion as the GG and especially as the CinC, "Her Excellency" raised glasses with what I and I believe any non separatist would call treasonus criminals in celebration of their deeds and crimes and for the separation of Quebec. Regardless of saying what not after the fact it says a lot to me in my mind about where her loyalties truly lie.

The argument could be made I suppose that she was just their with her film maker husband who was doing a documentary but I would argue the look of sincerity on her face while discussing the issue of separation from Canada was genuine and that she believes it herself, how then can she expect my support other then of course the way I must treat her as a person in uniform. I have the utmost respect for the postion of Governor General and all the power therein what I do not have is a ounce of respect for the woman that currently now fills that position.
 
Bruce Monkhouse said:
I'm just wondering if its because of the size of her entourage that would go also.......

My cynical side says it's because she doesn't have to win an election next time round..
 
I think she should go. She is the CIC, she represents the Queen, and as much as I found her appointment manner distasteful, she has come across as a pretty good representative of the government.
 
......
TMM said:
My cynical side says it's because she doesn't have to win an election next time round..

Where my cynical side says maybe she purposefully asks to do things she *cough* somehow knows cannot be done and it looks like the Govt. of the day, *cough*not the one she likes, is trying to control [ hmmm, press corps friends anybody?] even her position.

EDIT: forgot to put in the "maybe",....too many conspiracy stooges on the web as it is. ;)
 
I would think being the CinC that she could just 'order' to be taken over. Everyone could give their reasons for her not going, then she could just say "Yeah, that's cool, take me anyway, and by next week" I have a nagging feeling Madam Clarkson wouldn't have taken no for an answer, but that's neither here nor there.
 
Bruce Monkhouse said:
I'm just wondering if its because of the size of her entourage that would go also.......

Would it be that much larger than the PM's entourage? (Yes I know the exact details are top secret, but generally.)


My turn to conjecture:

Maybe they care more about the GG more than the PM
 
van Gemeren said:
Would it be that much larger than the PM's entourage? (Yes I know the exact details are top secret, but generally.)

Not sure, but, wasn't our previous GG's entourage rather huge, even as far as those things go?
 
I only remember seeing 6 or so, not including her VIP protection team of course. The PM's staff was larger
 
Clarkson's entourage was well above average FWIR.

I say let her go and cap the people she can bring with her.
 
Yeah, but if they get totally annoying, we could always get them to help marking the shots in the practise butts out on the range

I can visualize it now: "now you just poke you head up here and watch for holes to appear, then you quickly reach up and apply a patch so he can see where he hit"...."yep...just like that"...oops...ahhh ::)
 
GAP said:
Yeah, but if they get totally annoying, we could always get them to help marking the shots in the practise butts out on the range

I can visualize it now: "now you just poke you head up here and watch for holes to appear, then you quickly reach up and apply a patch so he can see where he hit"...."yep...just like that"...oops...ahhh ::)

LOL - - I thought that's what TMM meant when she said "let her go and 'cap' the people she can bring with her"  (but I know TMM isn't like that  >:D  )
 
If the GG is the unrepentant separatist some people obviously see her as, maybe meeting the men and women in uniform for whom Canada is more than just a source of transfer payments might be a good way of "bringing her around", if that's really necessary, which I'm not sure it is.

Cheers
 
Journeyman said:
LOL - - I thought that's what TMM meant when she said "let her go and 'cap' the people she can bring with her"  (but I know TMM isn't like that  >:D  )

Oops - cut me some slack I'm still trying to recall how to speak army!
 
HitorMiss said:
Wow took longer then I thought to be called on that one.

Yes I am well aware she is my Commander and Chief that would be why I would have the proper respect for her title and call her mam. However I do indeed feel she is totally undeserving of her postion as the GG and especially as the CinC, "Her Excellency" raised glasses with what I and I believe any non separatist would call treasonus criminals in celebration of their deeds and crimes and for the separation of Quebec. Regardless of saying what not after the fact it says a lot to me in my mind about where her loyalties truly lie.

The argument could be made I suppose that she was just their with her film maker husband who was doing a documentary but I would argue the look of sincerity on her face while discussing the issue of separation from Canada was genuine and that she believes it herself, how then can she expect my support other then of course the way I must treat her as a person in uniform. I have the utmost respect for the postion of Governor General and all the power therein what I do not have is a ounce of respect for the woman that currently now fills that position.

Wow, so anyone you don't respect personally is not entitled to be treated with civility. Did you learn that from the Liberal Party? Seems to me that was always the complaint about their treatment of the military - didn't understand us, didn't like us, didn't treat us with respect. What goes around comes around.
 
Actually Michael, he DID state that he would treat her with the respect HER POSITION entitled her too......where's the beef?
 
Back
Top