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Global Warming/Climate Change Super Thread

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Cdn Blackshirt said:
Here's a quick one from the National Parks Service....

My argument here being that if we clearly know manmade activity was not responsible for pre-historic temperatures level changes, then someone should take the time to generate a computer model that STARTS by first being accurate when backtesting against known data.

newest_nfd_climate_graph.jpg


There was a huge uproar which you may have missed a couple of years ago where a 'climate scientist' made the claim that based on his models, the antarctic ice sheet was going to melt in 50-years.  Tonnes of papers and media picked it up.  Less covered was the fact that some non-believers got a hold of his model and he had 'fixed the outcome'.  Even if you put in lower levels of CO2 which was his primary variable (ignoring that giant warming agent we usually call the 'The Sun'), he still showed melting.  So CO2 up = Melting & CO2 down = melting.

Not science....

So again, my comment is that when you see claims like you posted, be sure you know who is providing the data set, and do your due diligence on if they've misrepresented information before.


M.

Looking at the graph, I'm sure most of us now wish we had been born 50 million years ago in the Ecocens period. Balmy tropical weather all year round in James bay,,,,
 
Well go figure . . .  Who knew big slabs of prime rib, or sirloin, or ribeye would be the solution to Global Warming.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vpTHi7O66pI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Ffeature%3Dplayer_embedded%26v%3DvpTHi7O66pI


Not safe for Vegans who believe in Global Warming.
 
Haletown said:
Well go figure . . .  Who knew big slabs of prime rib, or sirloin, or ribeye would be the solution to Global Warming.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vpTHi7O66pI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Ffeature%3Dplayer_embedded%26v%3DvpTHi7O66pI


Not safe for Vegans who believe in Global Warming.

With the coming warm weather we can all spark up the barbeque and do our part for climate change! Make mine medium rare, please...
 
Thucydides said:
With the coming warm weather we can all spark up the barbeque and do our part for climate change! Make mine medium rare, please...


Why wait for warm weather.  Much more fun to fire up the 'Q on Earth Day and turn on lots of lights so I can get a really good look my rotisserie spinning ten pounds of rib roast.  :nod:

Have to remember to fill the backup propane tank and buy some fresh horseradish.
 
The white smoke coming out of teh Vatican didn't help matters much. >:D
 
Dudes, several post ago, I mentioned Allan Savory (The guy in that you tube video). I run my farm based on his principles and practices (I have attended HMI, the original organization he was affiliated with). Its great stuff. Very informative (You got hand it to those Rhodesians, they are out of the box thinkers). Yes, done correctly, we can have lots of tasty meat and food and REVERSE mass desertification (Which really is the big problem here, more so than climate fluctuation IMO).

BTW, to all you vegans/veggie heads out there, YOUR mass consumption of grains, corns and soy contributes to environmental damage in a nasty way (Most crop practices are very poorly managed and dependent on chemical fertilizers and pesticides/herbicides/fungicides. Not to mention, they leave huge amounts of soil exposed (very bad thing).

Eat grass fed and natural raised meat! Keep farmers and farm hands employed, regenerate the environment and enjoy the awesome taste of real meat!

BTW, anyone looking, I may have some steers available this fall. Just saying.
 
cupper said:
The white smoke coming out of teh Vatican didn't help matters much. >:D

You can be sure the Catholic Church won't buy any Carbon Credits.

They invented the "Selling Indulgences to Get Rich" scam and they won' fall for the Eco Grifters gaming their con.  ;D
 
Haletown said:
Why wait for warm weather.  Much more fun to fire up the 'Q on Earth Day and turn on lots of lights so I can get a really good look my rotisserie spinning ten pounds of rib roast.  :nod:

Have to remember to fill the backup propane tank and buy some fresh horseradish.

I see you celebrate Human Achievement Day  ;)
 
Here is a link to a long story in the UK Daily Mail that reports that many in the climate science warming community have not established that global warming is not happening at the expected rate and that there has been no warming since 1997. The graphs and table are well worth examining.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294560/The-great-green-1-The-hard-proof-finally-shows-global-warming-forecasts-costing-billions-WRONG-along.html
 
Evidence confounding the established doctrine will not convince the disciples that they may be wrong. Expect widespread condemnation and character assassination.
 
Old Sweat said:
Here is a link to a long story in the UK Daily Mail that reports that many in the climate science warming community have not established that global warming is not happening at the expected rate and that there has been no warming since 1997. The graphs and table are well worth examining.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294560/The-great-green-1-The-hard-proof-finally-shows-global-warming-forecasts-costing-billions-WRONG-along.html
In the interest of balance, I found a point-by-point rebuttal to this exact article:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/03/18/global_warming_denial_debunking_misleading_climate_change_claims_by_david.html
 
Indeed, and it does lay out the other side of the argument. One can find a discussion of the slate.com paper here:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/
 
Old Sweat said:
Indeed, and it does lay out the other side of the argument. One can find a discussion of the slate.com paper here:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/
Can you narrow it down a bit?  I couldn't any references to The Slate.
 
Look in the entry titled Monday Mirthiness. It discusses the slate article without reverting to the personal attacks and ridicule in it.

I am inclined from my reading on the subject to be a skeptic, especially after the errors in the IPCC reports and Mann's original hockey stick graph were exposed by scientific analysis.
 
I'm a big fan of global warming; the sooner the bike comes out of winter storage, the better!

:chopper:
 
Journeyman said:
I'm a big fan of global warming; the sooner the bike comes out of winter storage, the better!

:chopper:

Being on the same latitude as Northern California, I have found out that there are 12 different types of banana trees I can plant here and grow.

I won't be happy until I can grow the rest of the species here.
 
Yesterday I was reading some contemporary material re the 1974 Cyprus blowup in which the writer referred to the coming ice age. To my surprise, this morning I found this piece on SDA which states that there is a growing body of opinion that global warming is a myth and we are faced with another little ice age. It is reproduced under the Fair Dealing provision of the Copyright Act.

Flagship Daily DIE WELT Stuns Germany: “Scientists Warn Of Ice Age”, Cites New Peer-Reviewed Russian Study

By P Gosselin on 25. März 2013


Mentioning the lethal “100-year, record-smashing” spring cold and snow spreading across Europe over the past month has for the most part been avoided like the plague by Germany’s mainstream media. The silence over the record cold and frost, which has killed thousands and cost billions, has been ear-ringing.

Yet some leading dailies are breaking ranks, and have begun to examine the phenomenon critically and openly.

For example veteran journalist Ulli Kulke at German flagship daily Die Welt today has stunned the rest of the German mainstream media with a piece titled Scientists warn of ice age.

German flagship daily reports that “scientists warning of ice age.” Logo: DIE WELT.

Kulke writes that recently a growing number of scientific publications have been appearing in leading journals, and that they have been challenging the simplistic “one dimensional CO2 explanation” for climate change and showing that even the unlikely “doubling of atmospheric CO2 concentration by 2050 would not have dramatic effects.”

Kulke writes:

Yet, papers with such content, even though they have passed the peer-review process, do not make any headlines. But they have been becoming much more frequent recently.”

Increasingly it seems more and more scientists are now seeing huge opportunity in overturning one of the most ballyhooed scientific hypotheses of modern time, funding be damned.

In the Die Welt piece, Kulke asks if the record cold and snow over much of the northern hemisphere “is just a coincidence“. The odds are increasing that it is not, and that it’s not for nothing that a growing number of scientists are becoming friendly to other explanations and that the body of evidence supporting a combination of explanations is taking shape quickly. Kulke writes that it is therefore no surprise that 2 Russian scientists have recently joined the ever more thunderous chorus of alternative explanations on what drives climate. He writes:


It’s probably no coincidence that ever louder scientific opinions warning of an imminent ice period are coming also from Russia. Vladimir Baschkin and Rauf Galiulin have recently recognized the ice age possibility in a study. Both biogeochemists – a discipline that also includes the study of the Earth’s atmosphere – have written a study for the Research Institute Vniigaz of the Gazprom concern, an address of course that cannot be said is free of lobbyists. However, their arguments are underpinned by findings that are gaining more and more acceptance from independent science: solar activity is weakening considerably - to an extent that was last seen several hundred years ago, the Little Ice Age, according to scientists.”

Kulke writes that not only is the CO2-science for explaining climate change one-dimensional, but that also only looking at changes in solar irradiance is completely inadequate. The sun’s fluctuating magnetic activity and its impact on the Earth’s atmosphere, direct and indirect, though not well understood, are proving to have a far greater influence on the Earth’s climate than many are willing to admit. This is all being backed up by leading research institutes such as CERN in Geneva and the Danish National Space Institute of Denmark.
 
And as the whole global warming thingy continues to fade away, overtaken by the reality of a cooling atmosphere even as CO2 levels rise, as the predictions do not come true, as trust in the fear mongering, Sky is Falling scientists, politicians and Greenie Grifters reaches new lows, we can always pause for a moment to have a good chuckle at the expense of those still committed to loving Gaia, hating human progress and believing their pagan religious  beliefs should be made into public policy paid for by others.



http://iceagenow.info/2013/03/global-warming-lies-exposed-video/


Happy Easter.  Great day to fire up the BBQ and roast up a nice 5lb deboned leg of lamb,  CO2 be damned.

 
And more. We should all be aware that the same people will be back with some other environmental "issue" that can only be solved by massive State intervention in our personal lives and control of the economy and limitations on our freedoms. Funny that every problem they find always has the same solution....

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/03/climate-change-endgame-in-sight.php?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+powerlineblog%2Flivefeed+%28Power+Line%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo

Climate Change Endgame In Sight?

In my Weekly Standard cover story about the fallout from the “Climategate” email scandal three years ago, I offered the following question by way of prediction:

    Eventually the climate modeling community is going to have to reconsider the central question: Have the models the IPCC uses for its predictions of catastrophic warming overestimated the climate’s sensitivity to greenhouse gases?

The article then went on to survey emerging research (U.S. government funded!) casting doubt on high estimates of climate sensitivity, along with alternative explanations on some climate factors, such as “black carbon.”  The question in my mind the time was how long this would take to begin to break out into the “mainstream” scientific and media world.

Figure 1

That day appears to have arrived.  The new issue of The Economist has a long feature on the declining confidence in the high estimates of climate sensitivity.  That this appears in The Economist is significant, because this august British news organ has been fully on board with climate alarmism for years now.  A Washington-based Economist correspondent admitted to me privately several years ago that the senior editors in London had mandated consistent and regular alarmist climate coverage in its pages.

The problem for the climateers is increasingly dire.  As The Economist shows in its first chart (Figure 1 here), the recent temperature record is now falling distinctly to the very low end of its predicted range and may soon fall out of it, which means the models are wrong, or, at the very least, that there’s something going on that supposedly “settled” science hasn’t been able to settle.  Equally problematic for the theory, one place where the warmth might be hiding—the oceans—is not cooperating with the story line.  Recent data show that ocean warming has noticeably slowed, too, as shown in Figure 2 here.

Figure 2

So The Economist story, though hedged with every reservation to Keep Hope Alive, is nonetheless a clear sign that it’s about over for the climate campaign.

While climateers continue to beat the drum that each year is among the hottest since Satan opened his first furnace at Hades Hostel for Hapless Heathens, there has been an embarrassed silence, if not outright denial (heh), that temperatures have flattened out over the last 15 years.  Now even the leading climateers can’t maintain a straight face over this any more, as The Economist notes in its lede:

    OVER the past 15 years air temperatures at the Earth’s surface have been flat while greenhouse-gas emissions have continued to soar. The world added roughly 100 billion tonnes of carbon to the atmosphere between 2000 and 2010. That is about a quarter of all the CO₂ put there by humanity since 1750. And yet, as James Hansen, the head of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, observes, “the five-year mean global temperature has been flat for a decade.” . . .

    The mismatch between rising greenhouse-gas emissions and not-rising temperatures is among the biggest puzzles in climate science just now. . .  The IPCC’s estimates of climate sensitivity are based partly on GCMs [Global Circulation Models]. Because these reflect scientists’ understanding of how the climate works, and that understanding has not changed much, the models have not changed either and do not reflect the recent hiatus in rising temperatures.  (Emphasis added.)

And the story adds this zinger: “If climate scientists were credit-rating agencies, climate sensitivity would be on negative watch.”

The Economist goes on to provide a brief tour of new research that argues for a lower climate sensitivity, with upper bounds that would still present difficulties, but short of the blood-and-Gore catastrophe that as been the staple of the climate campaign from the beginning.  As usual, we see an environmental phenomenon that the environmental Politburo overestimates, and which always demands that we surrender more political power into their hands as the solution.

Even The Economist’s accompanying “leader” on the issue sends out a subtle surrender signal:

    Bad climate policies, such as backing renewable energy with no thought for the cost, or insisting on biofuels despite the damage they do, are bad whatever the climate’s sensitivity to greenhouse gases. Good policies—strategies for adapting to higher sea levels and changing weather patterns, investment in agricultural resilience, research into fossil-fuel-free ways of generating and storing energy—are wise precautions even in a world where sensitivity is low. So is putting a price on carbon and ensuring that, slowly but surely, it gets ratcheted up for decades to come.

Except for the “carbon price” bit at the end, this represents a huge retreat from the Kyoto-cheerleading of The Economist in years gone by.

It’s enough to drive a Mann crazy.

and from the comments:

EPatrick Mosman (signed in using Hotmail)
Jerry Lawson
After McIntyre pointed out that NASA/NOAA had reported incorrect temperature for the 2000-2006 years, higher of course, in 2007 NASA published revised temperatures
* Only three of the top 10 warmest years occurred in the previous 10 years (1998, 1999, 2006)
* Out of the top 10 warmest years half occurred before 1940,1934 was the warmest
* The years 2000, 2002, 2003 and 2004 were cooler than the year 1900
* 1996, just two years before what Al Gore called the hottest year in the history of the planet, was actually cooler than average.
* 1921 was the third warmest year in recorded history (behind 1934 and 1998).
And then there is the more recent tampering with temperature data.
http://notrickszone.com/2012/03/01/data-tamperin-giss-caught-red-handed-manipulaing-data-to-produce-arctic-climate-history-revision/
“Data Tampering: GISS Caught Red-Handed Manipulating Data To Produce Arctic Climate History Revision
http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2012/03/revising-history.html and
http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2012/01/25/how-giss-has-totally-corrupted-reykjaviks-temperatures/
And finally
http://www.real-science.com/hansen-tampering-data-planet.
 
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