Global Warming/Climate Change Super Thread

[Good2Golf]

Its insulting to say that a post that is completely untrue is untrue?
Its insulting to say that its ridiculous to take the opinion of a random person on the internet over tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of SME? Thats a pretty funny claim considering the position by so many people on this site with respect to their expertise and their reactions in those threads

I never said I dont bother with evaluating their thoughts or information source. I said i dont watch videos because they are almost always a colossal waste of time. But I broke down and started to watch that video. I am 1/3 of the way into and so far there has been no information of any consequence. I guess I should assume that the final 2/3 are better?

What am i to open my mind to? When I take my car to the mechanic I dont ask my 4 yr old grandchild for a second opinion. There has been no evidence presented. There has been no alternative hypothesis. No attempt to address the fundamental questions. No acknowledgement of the literature or the position of the scientific community. We are 40-50 yrs into the study of modern climate science. The first IPCC review was in 1990. Im curious what other scientific theories one would approach in this way

Link to the two studies and we can go over them. But
gas solubility is a function of temperature and
plants arent CO2 limited and global greening has now at least temporarily reversed

Listen to others without the necessity of showing how wrong they are-Is this a two way street?
There are a number of very wise individuals here and sometimes it pays to just listen-Are any of them published climate scientists?

As always the first place to start is with the evidence

AR6 Synthesis Report: Climate Change 2023

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

www.ipcc.ch

Meh.

It’s happening, faster or slower, it’s happening.

Adapt or perish, stopping it isn’t an option.

Climate Change Is Inevitable — It's Time to Adapt

Wired contributing editor Spencer Reiss hits us with the bad news about climate change: “We’re toast.” But luckily, he says, technological change is also accelerating, and we can still come out OK.

www.wired.com

 

[Brad Sallows]

Adapt or perish, stopping it isn’t an option.

Some people for some reasons believe otherwise. If temperatures were rising (or dropping) and no anthropogenic culprit could be identified, it'd be obvious that we have to adapt. A mistake people make is in thinking that the anthropogenic culprit is the only or major problem, and that the correction needed isn't worse than the adaptation.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Yay, a new record!

Greenhouse gas concentrations surge again to new record in 2023​

Greenhouse gas levels surged to a new record in 2023, committing the planet to rising temperatures for many years to come, according to a report from the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). Carbon dioxide (CO2) is accumulating in the atmosphere faster than any time experienced during human existence, rising by more than 10% in just two decades.
Key messages

• CO2 concentrations have increased 11.4 % in just 20 years
• Long lifetime of CO2 in atmosphere locks in future temperature increase
• El Niño and vegetation fires fuel surge in later part of 2023
• Effectiveness of carbon sinks like forests cannot be taken for granted
• Improved understanding of carbon-climate feedbacks is needed

Greenhouse gas concentrations surge again to new record in 2023

wmo.int

 

[Quirky]

The key contributors to greenhouse gases don’t care about greenhouse gases. They laugh at our obsession with taxing each other into poverty.

 

[Good2Golf]

When the catastrophe isn’t as catastrophically catastrophic as those catastrophizing the climate change wish it to be.

Joe Oliver: We're at a climate policy turning-point

Voters are increasingly skeptical of climate alarmism and worried about the high cost of net-zero policies. Read more.

financialpost.com

A recent surge in global warming is not detectable yet - Communications Earth & Environment

Despite 2023’s record temperatures, there is no significant warming surge beyond the 1970s, and an increase of at least 55% across all datasets is required for a detectable warming surge at the present time, according to an analysis of four global mean temperature records from 1850–2023 using...

www.nature.com

 

[daftandbarmy]

When the catastrophe isn’t as catastrophically catastrophic as those catastrophizing the climate change wish it to be.

Joe Oliver: We're at a climate policy turning-point

Voters are increasingly skeptical of climate alarmism and worried about the high cost of net-zero policies. Read more.

financialpost.com

A recent surge in global warming is not detectable yet - Communications Earth & Environment

Despite 2023’s record temperatures, there is no significant warming surge beyond the 1970s, and an increase of at least 55% across all datasets is required for a detectable warming surge at the present time, according to an analysis of four global mean temperature records from 1850–2023 using...

www.nature.com

Caution around 'crying climate wolf'....

Science integrity, (mis)communication and risks of crying climate wolf​

As interest in global warming becomes embedded in almost all sectors of society, the nature of publications relevant to global warming has diversified.

As interest in global warming becomes embedded in almost all sectors of society, the nature of publications relevant to global warming has diversified. The foundations of our understanding of global warming exist in high quality international journal publications with rigorous peer review and independent advisory boards. However, now that global warming pervades almost all sectors of society, and because the peer reviewed science literature is not readily accessible to business, policy makers and the public, there has been a rapid expansion of more public-facing publications. These range from high quality technical whitepapers associated with reputable organizations through to advocacy documents that are understandably unbalanced in a strict scientific sense.

These reports are often written in far more accessible language than scientific papers, and their accessibility leads to their reporting by the mass media, sometimes with findings around climate risk projections that are not scientifically rigorous.

Recent examples include suggestions that Australia will “lose its AAA rating as soon as 2030” due to climate change1, or “suburbs where more than half of properties will be uninsurable by 2030” 2.

This raises two major issues. The first is around the presence, absence and rigor of the peer review process. The second is a separate issue, but one that often compounds the first, concerning the balance, and sometimes misreporting by mainstream media and indeed commenters on social media platforms. These issues, while distinct, result in the general public not being presented with a fair, balanced and reasonable grasp of climate risk. In particular, given the gravity of consequences within the context of climate science, this commentary aims to shed further light on the issue by addressing the following: the academic peer review process; challenges with science communication; unintended consequences when scientific findings lack robustness or are misrepresented, and suggestions for improvements.

Science integrity, (mis)communication and risks of crying climate wolf

www.unsw.edu.au

 

[Fishbone Jones]

All these climate discussions, blame and gloom are worth not one thing.

It's all moot until India and China get sorted out. The two biggest producers of green house gas in the world and not a single soul calls them out.

Instead we have a convicted ecoterrorist, trying to shut all fossil fuels down, keep us freezing in the dark, trying to increase our carbon deficit. That's right, deficit. Our contribution, after our forests and oceans clean it puts us in a deficit. All the cuts he wants for us do not stop a single thing. Our non existent carbon foot print is a raindrop in the ocean. It means nothing. We could go back to where we were 20 years ago and our contribution still wouldn't be noticed.

Meanwhile Guilbeault is also currently listed as Executive Vice Chairperson of the Executive Committee of the CCICED. (China Council for International Cooperation on Environment and Development) that allows China to bring two coal fired power plants a week, on line. The coal they use comes from British Columbia and is the dirtiest coal you can mine. Can you spell hypocrite?

Ongoing Research Archives - CCICED

cciced.eco

All the money this government collects and spends is just a redistribution of finances to people who provide the least amount of money to the climate funds. These are the only people that 'get back more than they put in'. Another trudeau lie.

One more thing. The Laurentien Elites made a lot of their fortunes on their shares in mid east oil. PetroFina and the Food for Oil scam makes good reading. They still have those shares and still collect big dividends. If you think they are ready to give up those dividends and shares to improve Canada's oil and gas industry (their competition), you need your head read.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Actually, BC coal (as coal goes) is pretty clean…

 

[OldSolduer]

Yay, a new record!

Greenhouse gas concentrations surge again to new record in 2023​

Is that not the huge GHG mass over Parliament when its in session?

 

[YZT580]

Is that not the huge GHG mass over Parliament when its in session?

should be a good year for feed crops then. I like warm

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Almost makes one wonder why the 99% even bother.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/private-aviation-co2-emissions-1.7375509

 

[Good2Golf]

Actually, BC coal (as coal goes) is pretty clean…

Do you own shares of Power Corp.?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Almost makes one wonder why the 99% even bother.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/private-aviation-co2-emissions-1.7375509

Hey use a paper straw would you ? T Swizzle needs to fly from LA to Vegas...

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Do you own shares of Power Corp.?

You know, I think that I actually do own Power Corps shares!

 

[OldSolduer]

Almost makes one wonder why the 99% even bother.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/private-aviation-co2-emissions-1.7375509

Oprah, Michelle Oba and her friends need to lead by example.

 

[suffolkowner]

Oprah, Michelle Oba and her friends need to lead by example.

i doubt it. Theres a few out there but they are few and far between

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Do you own shares of Power Corp.?

Sadly are no finical institution is partly owned by them.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

All these climate discussions, blame and gloom are worth not one thing.

It's all moot until India and China get sorted out. The two biggest producers of green house gas in the world and not a single soul calls them out.

They are also some of the biggest sources of plastics into the ocean

Stemming the Plastic Tide: 10 Rivers Contribute Most of the Plastic in the Oceans

The Yangtze alone pours up to an estimated 1.5 million metric tons into the Yellow Sea

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[Kirkhill]

Keir Starmer’s delusions of a climate utopia have fallen on deaf ears

The Prime Minister’s COP29 boosterism is hard to believe when China and the US didn’t bother to turn up

www.telegraph.co.uk

Keir Starmer is in Baku, another of the world's oil capitals, banging the drum for Net Zero.

He wants Britain to be a world leader in Net Zero. One of his key advisors is the Canuck Mark Carney - who has been peddling the same advice to our PMJT and POTUS Biden.

China didn't show up. The US didn't show up and the host:

opened proceedings by describing fossil fuels as “a gift from God”.

Progress hard to discern amid the fog of net zero war

The minister standing in for Ed Miliband at energy questions is a pink-haired vegan as MPs show scant enthusiasm for Cop29

www.telegraph.co.uk

It turns out that it wasn’t a practical joke after all. The Cop29 summit really is being held in Azerbaijan, a country where fossil fuels account for 90pc of exports.

Starmer and Miliband have just rolled up at the biggest circus in town

Cop has become an expensive farce that does more harm than good for the cause it was designed to help

www.telegraph.co.uk

Time! Seconds out!