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Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

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I have long said that you could fund the CAF to 4 percent of GDP, but we would still lag behind in NATO and be much the same where we are.

It's never the money, it's politics. It's procedures. It's the pork-barreling in our defence spending that makes us a paper tiger in NATO.

My only hope in all of this for the CAF and the GoC, whatever the political stripe that may be, is that it will rouse them out of the "Peace Dividend" slumber. The world has been unstable since 1945. We have used geography, proximity, and association as a Defence Policy ever since. ICBMs don't care how close to the U.S. or how far from Russia/China we are.

Don't give us a dime more, but let us spend money on defence like it matters. The fact we follow the same rules for purchasing a fighter aircraft as we do for buying office furniture for a Service Canada office is disgraceful. Don't treat defense procurement as a stimulus package for Canadian Industry. There I said it.

We spend so much money, time, and effort trying to get that money to stay in Canada; be it by awarding contracts to companies with no capability to produce items without first "retooling" and"developing the production lines", or by hamstringing perfectly competent and competitive bidders by forcing the project to be made in St. Margaret de Poutain de Champignon, QC because the ruling government either lost the seat in the election, or won it with promises.

We spend so much money and staff hours jumping through TBS regulations that are great for other departments, but are terrible for defence procurement. Some items you have to sole source, because there are technologies and capabilities no one else makes. By doing the bid process, you get companies clamoring for a project they can't deliver on, but because they tick the bright boxes on the score sheet....

I truly and honestly belief we need to split from PSPC and legislate that its not beholden to TBS, only to the PBO/PCO. The guiding principles of this new Defence Procurement department should be "Off the shelf, from somewhere else" if there isn't an industry in Canada.

BOOTFORGEN has demonstrated how well we do when we are able to actually get what we need, instead of lining the pockets of a Canadian company that got lucky.

That, but with tanks, fighters, ships, weapons systems....
 
Guess SAR got the stocking with coal in it…

Sexy Talk Dirty GIF by SWR3
They did indeed...not sure what we should do this with this situation...

We will have 16 aircraft sitting on the ground looking for something to do, and a small fleet of SAR planes retired.


Do we make the C-295 work with the intended SAR role? (What is the main issue anyway, that it can't perform the purpose for which it was purchased?)
 
They did indeed...not sure what we should do this with this situation...

We will have 16 aircraft sitting on the ground looking for something to do, and a small fleet of SAR planes retired.


Do we make the C-295 work with the intended SAR role? (What is the main issue anyway, that it can't perform the purpose for which it was purchased?)

Coles notes version: everything ;)

 
Coles notes version: everything ;)

I literally can't wrap my head around how f**king stupid our political class is, or how dim witted our bureaucrats are...

So we went with the one plane that had been scratched from a previous competition due to all of the problems we are now tangibly trying to deal with. Problems we knew we would have before we even signed the contract for them...


It's Monday lol too early in the week for this!

That was depressing to read lol it's Monday, I need to
 
So we went with the one plane that had been scratched from a previous competition due to all of the problems we are now tangibly trying to deal with. Problems we knew we would have before we even signed the contract for them...

Should've just bought some 'short bus' J-Model Hercs. No need to significantly re-train personnel and the supply chain is already there. I think it makes too much sense so logically it wasn't selected.
 
Should've just bought some 'short bus' J-Model Hercs. No need to significantly re-train personnel and the supply chain is already there. I think it makes too much sense so logically it wasn't selected.
Penny wise, dollar foolish…
Hmm the RCAF with another orphan fleet what could go wrong


I’m sure the flight hour cost, and initial platform cost are much higher on the Hercules, but it’s also a larger more capable airframe already in service, in the CAF.
 
Who bribed you to not talk about boots? ;)
Don’t you even dare suggest repealing BOOTFORGEN - the one thing that’s worked out totally well so far.

Should've just bought some 'short bus' J-Model Hercs. No need to significantly re-train personnel and the supply chain is already there. I think it makes too much sense so logically it wasn't selected.
It wasn’t even in the competition. Unsure whether LM even offered it. Considering that the two bidding airframes ended up being the C-27 and the CC-295, I’m guessing that LM didn’t bid. You can’t pick something that the company isn’t bidding - contrast that with the recent P-8 purchase, since Boeing had already pitched the P-8.

This brings us to the question, what should the Government get for their budget assuming that the Gov't would want at least a Naval TF or BG or Air Sqn:
Three poorly equipped, under-manned and not readily deployable Services?
One fully equipped, manned and readily deployable Service?
Two fully equipped, manned Services, but ready to deploy within 30/60/90 days?

What should the CDS advise thew gov't knowng that the World and Canada's political and secuity constantly changes? Not an easy decision.
I, for one, would love to see the infighting between the Army Regiments as to who stays and who goes. The RCN and RCAF units may put up a bit of a complaint, but in general they aren’t as tied to a particular unit.
 
It wasn’t even in the competition

Rumour is they didn’t bid because Canada wanted an ophan fleet and all-new capability with sims etc. We are already set up to fly the Herc, so technically LM didn’t meet our requirements. We are stuck with that POS CC295 so it’s all semantics at this point.
 
Rumour is they didn’t bid because Canada wanted an ophan fleet and all-new capability with sims etc. We are already set up to fly the Herc, so technically LM didn’t meet our requirements. We are stuck with that POS CC295 so it’s all semantics at this point.
So is there any working military value to that aircraft at all then?
 
Rumour is they didn’t bid because Canada wanted an ophan fleet and all-new capability with sims etc. We are already set up to fly the Herc, so technically LM didn’t meet our requirements. We are stuck with that POS CC295 so it’s all semantics at this point.
I don't know if they changed it, but years ago I was on a relatively big project (~$100M) and we were one of the first to go through the replacement for IRBs (Value Proposition).

Some of the points on that revolved around creating new work in Canada, with extra points for Small and Medium Enterprises (not to be confused with subject matter experts). One of the bidders was already established in Canada, and had a pretty good network of sister companies in their supply chain. They lost out on a bunch of points because they weren't creating new jobs, and whatever the corporate structure was the sister companies didn't count as SMEs.

So essentially our own (GoCs, not DND; those are ISED contract terms that get bolted on) RFP disadvantaged an existing Canadian company and benefitted foreign companies setting up a new supply chain. Which in PM/supply chain side, creates a risk you don't have compared to an existing supply chain that isn't solely dependent on you to keep working. The company pointed that out during the RFI stage and was essentially told 'that's the strategic goal yada yada yada'

Sometimes our own requirements are dumb AF with unintended consequences. I'm sure there are times we unintentionally undercut good options from all the layers of RFP BS that add on, which sometimes means companies don't even bother bidding.
 
There is a surprising number of operators, and not just all “poor” countries.


I’m guessing that at least some of those operators think it’s good enough for the mission they’re tasked.
I find it so odd that none of that is Arctic SAR or Cold Weather operations…
:ROFLMAO:

It may be a perfectly fine plane for many nations - but it really doesn’t meet the requirements for Canada’s FWSAR…
 
Rumour is they didn’t bid because Canada wanted an ophan fleet and all-new capability with sims etc. We are already set up to fly the Herc, so technically LM didn’t meet our requirements. We are stuck with that POS CC295 so it’s all semantics at this point.
I know you are kidding, but I think the Herc was too large an airframe based on a quick view of the original RFP.
 
I think the only reason a company would even bother bidding is because of the dollar figures involved, and because of the product being pitched is partially a labour of love, ie new build, modernized Buffalo aircraft out of Calgary

And one would have to feel pretty passive about it, and weren't relying on the GoC project to sustain themselves or put food on the table


Because otherwise, why even bother?

The delays (sometimes measured in decades) or the absurdly political requirements, or the lack of common sense just seems like it wouldn't be worth it from a mental health perspective alone...
 
There is a surprising number of operators, and not just all “poor” countries.


I’m guessing that at least some of those operators think it’s good enough for the mission they’re tasked.
I say convert them to the MPA configuration that Airbus offers. Would be a good complement to our new P-8's and give us something at least approaching the MPA fleet size that a country with our amount of coastline needs.

It would also have the added bonus of causing the heads of every Bombardier fanboy to spontaneously explode!
 
All reserve Regiments less then 70% TES in 5 years reduced to coy strength and amalgamated. Done
Not sure about everywhere else but every unit in my CBG has been tactically grouped. COs and RSMs halved.

Still don’t have ammo and still don’t have equipment despite some people thinking that was the solution…
 
Not sure about everywhere else but every unit in my CBG has been tactically grouped. COs and RSMs halved.

Still don’t have ammo and still don’t have equipment despite some people thinking that was the solution…
Under the new plans for the ARes under F2025/2030, units under a certain strength will get taken over by their parents brigades.
 
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